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So basically it's incentives, inventives and incentives on top of incentives. Wouldn't call that love but hey whatever it's still a good result, right?

lqdc13 10y ago
incentives + social pressure to make gas car owners feel guilty. One of the top reasons from the interview was "clean consciousness". This, I think, is partially because oil is the main industry in the country so they collectively feel more guilty than neighboring Sweden and Finland.
- usrusr 10y ago
  > "clean consciousness" Which just happens to work so much better when your electricity is not provided by coal plants...
  - ZeroGravitas 10y ago
    As you say, it's better if you don't rely on coal for electricity production, but it's important to note, because there's lots of propaganda doing its best to suggest otherwise, that it's still a good idea if you're using coal. Using coal is of course a ridiculous thing to do, and should be phased out immediately, but still, electric cars make sense even in that horrible scenario.
    - emp_zealoth 10y ago
      Sure, please wire us 100bn $ so we can phase it out!
      - ZeroGravitas 10y ago
        Just take the money you would have to spend on people dying from the pollution, and the money saved from not having to do as much to reduce CO2 emissions and you're already ahead. As a bonus, there will be less environmental damage and pension payments for the taxpayer to make good when the coal corporations go bust 'accidentally' leaving all their debts unpaid.
im3w1l 10y ago
Those incentives didn't just happen. The Norwegians imposed them on themselves.
- gutnor 10y ago
  Any regulation is imposed by the people on itself in a democracy. When people complain about the internet provider in the US, they have imposed that to themselves too. Anyway, the point is that electric car in Norway is not competing on equal footing. It is cool, don't get me wrong, but worthless as an indicator of things to come in other countries.
e12e 10y ago
Yes, a lot of incentives. But another important point is that they make some sense, due to the pervasiveness of renewable hydroelectric power in Norway. Being an oil producing country, we could have gone the other way, and just subsidized gasoline prices instead.
- rodionos 10y ago
  This part of subsidies (free charging) has been getting less expensive for the budget too, at least in nominal terms. The price of hydro-power exported to neighboring Denmark has dropped by almost 50% since 2010, as Denmark ramped up its wind mills, albeit also with subsidies. https://apps.axibase.com/chartlab/ccca061b/2/ https://apps.axibase.com/chartlab/ccca061b/2/
CAT0 10y ago
In 2012 someone made a great overview of EV history and incentives in Norway http://www.evnorway.no http://www.evnorway.no Too bad it's not beeing updated any more.

lqdc13 10y ago

incentives + social pressure to make gas car owners feel guilty. One of the top reasons from the interview was "clean consciousness". This, I think, is partially because oil is the main industry in the country so they collectively feel more guilty than neighboring Sweden and Finland.

usrusr 10y ago
> "clean consciousness" Which just happens to work so much better when your electricity is not provided by coal plants...
- ZeroGravitas 10y ago
  As you say, it's better if you don't rely on coal for electricity production, but it's important to note, because there's lots of propaganda doing its best to suggest otherwise, that it's still a good idea if you're using coal. Using coal is of course a ridiculous thing to do, and should be phased out immediately, but still, electric cars make sense even in that horrible scenario.
  - emp_zealoth 10y ago
    Sure, please wire us 100bn $ so we can phase it out!
    - ZeroGravitas 10y ago
      Just take the money you would have to spend on people dying from the pollution, and the money saved from not having to do as much to reduce CO2 emissions and you're already ahead. As a bonus, there will be less environmental damage and pension payments for the taxpayer to make good when the coal corporations go bust 'accidentally' leaving all their debts unpaid.

im3w1l 10y ago

Those incentives didn't just happen. The Norwegians imposed them on themselves.

gutnor 10y ago
Any regulation is imposed by the people on itself in a democracy. When people complain about the internet provider in the US, they have imposed that to themselves too. Anyway, the point is that electric car in Norway is not competing on equal footing. It is cool, don't get me wrong, but worthless as an indicator of things to come in other countries.

e12e 10y ago

Yes, a lot of incentives. But another important point is that they make some sense, due to the pervasiveness of renewable hydroelectric power in Norway. Being an oil producing country, we could have gone the other way, and just subsidized gasoline prices instead.

rodionos 10y ago
This part of subsidies (free charging) has been getting less expensive for the budget too, at least in nominal terms. The price of hydro-power exported to neighboring Denmark has dropped by almost 50% since 2010, as Denmark ramped up its wind mills, albeit also with subsidies. https://apps.axibase.com/chartlab/ccca061b/2/ https://apps.axibase.com/chartlab/ccca061b/2/

CAT0 10y ago

In 2012 someone made a great overview of EV history and incentives in Norway http://www.evnorway.no http://www.evnorway.no Too bad it's not beeing updated any more.