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You're associating "car" with "something a homeowner can regularly control." I associate "car" more with "a personal vehicle." I'd rather high speed chunks of

You're associating "car" with "something a homeowner can regularly control." I associate "car" more with "a personal vehicle." I'd rather high speed chunks of metal not be under individual control, personally. Road or air.

6stringmerc 10y ago
That's fine, you can use whatever inaccurate terms you'd like but I won't share that approach. Personally, having grown up in an aviation family and being a studied gear-head, I simply don't share your confidence that individual control is inferior to automation at the root. In fact, I think until AI is comparable to the human brain, arguing that automation and programming is better is wrong; moreover it's unsuitable for a conversation regarding powered flight is irresponsible. There are simply no technological systems which have proven themselves trustworthy - thus far, I concede - to being a replacement for the human brain and synapses.
- tim333 10y ago
  We have machine operated lifts and trains, almost self driving cars, aircraft autopilots and having witnessed my own efforts at flying a plane I think a computer could quite likely do a safer job.
  - 6stringmerc 10y ago
    Oh really? Because there's a bunch of Air France wreckage just North of South America regarding a computer fuck-up that wasn't properly ajudicated by the pilots in command, which would have saved the passengers (as it had in other instances where the pilots saved the plane). That's just a high-profile one by pilots who were easily more qualified than you or I to be in charge of a major airliner. http://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Pages/aviation.aspx http://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Pages/avi...
    - robotresearcher 10y ago
      And 400,000 Americans dead in traffic accidents in the last 20 years. All happily driven by humans.
    - Dylan16807 10y ago
      It crashed because the pilots didn't know what they needed to know. That is not a computer fuck-up. Pretty bad example to pick when you're arguing against autopilot being superior to humans.
- shalmanese 10y ago
  I too believe that only a live, thinking animal beneath my flanks possess the sufficient intelligence to navigate the potholed streets of our fair city and that those trusting in cold hard iron are bound for a fool's errand. I am certain that this "automobile" is a fad that will in due time run it's course and that we will all be back to the trusty steed by decade's end.

6stringmerc 10y ago

That's fine, you can use whatever inaccurate terms you'd like but I won't share that approach. Personally, having grown up in an aviation family and being a studied gear-head, I simply don't share your confidence that individual control is inferior to automation at the root. In fact, I think until AI is comparable to the human brain, arguing that automation and programming is better is wrong; moreover it's unsuitable for a conversation regarding powered flight is irresponsible. There are simply no technological systems which have proven themselves trustworthy - thus far, I concede - to being a replacement for the human brain and synapses.

tim333 10y ago
We have machine operated lifts and trains, almost self driving cars, aircraft autopilots and having witnessed my own efforts at flying a plane I think a computer could quite likely do a safer job.
- 6stringmerc 10y ago
  Oh really? Because there's a bunch of Air France wreckage just North of South America regarding a computer fuck-up that wasn't properly ajudicated by the pilots in command, which would have saved the passengers (as it had in other instances where the pilots saved the plane). That's just a high-profile one by pilots who were easily more qualified than you or I to be in charge of a major airliner. http://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Pages/aviation.aspx http://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Pages/avi...
  - robotresearcher 10y ago
    And 400,000 Americans dead in traffic accidents in the last 20 years. All happily driven by humans.
  - Dylan16807 10y ago
    It crashed because the pilots didn't know what they needed to know. That is not a computer fuck-up. Pretty bad example to pick when you're arguing against autopilot being superior to humans.
shalmanese 10y ago
I too believe that only a live, thinking animal beneath my flanks possess the sufficient intelligence to navigate the potholed streets of our fair city and that those trusting in cold hard iron are bound for a fool's errand. I am certain that this "automobile" is a fad that will in due time run it's course and that we will all be back to the trusty steed by decade's end.