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Hard to understand. They buy the one company division in the world who was pushing the Windows Phone brand, a company who was innovating in terms of design and
by anjc 10y ago
Hard to understand. They buy the one company division in the world who was pushing the Windows Phone brand, a company who was innovating in terms of design and cameras and who had finally cracked their own decent brand and product line etc, and they immediately start winding them down. And they're going to work on their own hardware now anyway.
At the same time they throw their own stable OS in the bin and release a buggy beta version which has ruined the experience for WP users.
What was the point of this whole exercise? A convoluted way of getting Nokia's masses of IP rights for mobile? Why not just leave Nokia to keep pushing WP?
- stevehiehn 10y agoSeems clear to me. They executed on a strategy and consumers weren't interested.
- anjc 10y agoWell penetration of WP is down yeah, but that only makes sense when Nokia Lumias immediately disappeared from shops upon announcement of the MS Lumia devices, and when MS did not market or promote those new devices very much. The 950 range was also largely unavailable due to stock levels. So for about two years there you couldn't buy a Lumia even if you wanted to. So it's not surprise that usage went down and that consumers weren't interested. But my question is what was the corporate strategy? Did they see the success of the Lumia line and wanted control of it? If so, why did they immediately fire people and stop development of new devices?
- bazqux2 10y agoIt's so when they kill it there are fewer people to complain
- arielweisberg 10y agoMy wife really likes Windows Phone and wanted a Lumia 1020 for the camera. I offered her my 6+ and she refused. Trying to upgrade her to a new model is basically impossible. At the time we bought it if you went to any carrier store the Windows phones were clearly second class citizens with the best models not present. Carriers like T-Mobile wouldn't even sell you a decent model because they don't carry them at all and if you buy one separately you find that carrier specific stuff (tethering) is broken. With Windows phone it was really like they weren't even trying to move units. Sure they built the software and hardware, but actual retail presence seemed pretty broken. They also failed at continuity. There is no Lumia 1020 successor. The lineup in general seems fragmented with no regular predictable upgrade path and iteration.
- GrumpyYoungMan 10y agoThe wireless carriers have the final say on which phones they stock and promote, not the manufacturer. There most likely weren't enough sales of Windows Phone devices to make it worthwhile for them to bother trying.
- sirkneeland 10y agoCarrier sales reps didn't like selling Windows Phones, and you can't blame them. From their perspective, they want to sell you a phone in the shortest amount of time that has the lowest probability of return. Windows Phones had a different UI that meant the sales rep had to spend time showing how it worked, and even if he/she did make the sale, he faced the high risk of a Lumia getting returned because the customer found out some key app wasn't available on Windows Phone but was easily available on iOS and Android (their bank, or airline, Snapchat, and let's not forget Instagram wasn't there for a while) (source: I'm a former Nokia employee)
- blakeyrat 10y agoAT&T did a pretty good job of promoting them a few years ago, but my problem is that I had a HTC Titan II, then moved up to a Nokia 1020, then when it's screen broke, moved up to a... oh wait. Exactly like you said, there was no upgrade path. They didn't release any new phone models for something like 3 solid years. At the same time, the Nokia purchase removed HTC (who was at least somewhat enthusiastic about the OS previously) from the Windows Phone ecosystem. So if you're a die-hard Windows Phone fan, they went 3 years with no new phones for you to buy! It's no wonder the OS is struggling. And while the Nokia 1020 is a fine phone, I loved, loved, loved my HTC WinPhone and it's a damn shame I'll never be able to buy that combination of hardware and software ever again.
- merpnderp 10y agoA lot of people believe Nokia was about to switch to releasing Android phones and Microsoft had no choice but to buy them or exit the phone business. Nokia was in dire straits at the time.
- sirkneeland 10y agoThis is not incorrect.
- sickbeard 10y agoI think with UWP, the phone team lost control of the platform, and the core team working on UWP weren't that interested in making compromises needed for the phone. Hence the terrible and poor builds.
- Maakuth 10y ago> What was the point of this whole exercise? A convoluted way of getting Nokia's masses of IP rights for mobile? Why not just leave Nokia to keep pushing WP? Nokia only sold their mobile phone arm and licensed the IP. This doesn't seem like the cheapest way to get those licenses.
- anjc 10y agoAs far as I'm aware they were giving exclusive licensing rights to their IP to Microsoft in perpetuity. But yeah, it doesn't seem cheap...
- Maakuth 10y agoThat is not correct. All the phone vendors need licenses to some Nokia IP as they own much of the core patents needed for GSM/UMTS/LTE radio implementations. They've licensed them to Microsoft among others. I guess MS got all the Nokia phone software copyrights to themselves, but I don't think Symbian and S40 source are worth very much at the moment.
- Nokinside 10y ago>I guess MS got all the Nokia phone software copyrights to themselves This is incorrect. MS only bought non-exclusive, 10-year license for Nokia’s patent portfolio. Nokia has all the IP.
- ninv 10y agoWhat was the point of this whole exercise? Patents. Microsoft make more money from the Android than Google ...
- pavlov 10y agoBut Nokia kept the patents, Microsoft only licensed them for a period of time...
- nametakenobv 10y agoIt's pretty easy to understand. Nokia was bought by the previous CEO.
- kristofferR 10y agoIt only makes sense if Microsoft is planning to kill Windows Phone (or whatever it's called now).