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Any idea how they manage to control which pigments are shown? In traditional B&W E-Ink, black pigments are negatively charged, while white pigments are positiv

Any idea how they manage to control which pigments are shown? In traditional B&W E-Ink, black pigments are negatively charged, while white pigments are positively charged, so it's fairly straightforward to control which ones to show. I wonder how they do it for color, since they would need presumably 3 or 4 primary colors

stonogo 10y ago
It's easy, in our digital world, to forget: electric charge is not binary. A gamut of pigments that responded to a range of charges would serve.
- imaginenore 10y ago
  That doesn't answer his question though. Let's say they have 4 types of particles: CMYK. If the charges are as follows: C > M > Y > K, you will always have C arrive to the front first. How do you make only Y go the front to display pure yellow?
  - daurnimator 10y ago
    If it's like the video linked above (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2V9iuTW3sA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2V9iuTW3sA) it doesn't go straight from Y to C; the "pixel" has to cycle through all the other colours in between.
    - Turing_Machine 10y ago
      Maybe some kind of prism that flips one face at a time when it gets a pulse? The other thought that came to mind would be some sort of resonance system... send the right frequency, and the cyan (e.g.) particles bob up and down hard enough to reach the surface, where they'd stick. Each particle would have its own resonance frequency.
      - Turing_Machine 10y ago
        This looks like it may be the patent in question: https://www.google.com/patents/US8797634 https://www.google.com/patents/US8797634
        Dylan16807 10y ago
        So in summary, there are two layers. Top has white and magenta, bottom has cyan and yellow. The magenta particles let light through, the others do not. The top layer can put white on top to make white. The top layer can pull all the particles to the side to be completely clear. This allows yellow/cyan/green depending on the state of the bottom layer. The top layer can put magenta on top and white on bottom to make magenta. The top layer can put magenta on top and pull white to the side to be clear magenta. This allows red/blue/black respectively, when the bottom layer is yellow/cyan/green. Edit: But the initial article specifically says "The display utilizes a single layer of electrophoretic fluid" so it sounds like it's using a different tech.
        raphman_ 10y ago
        Hmm, the press release mentions that only " a single layer of electrophoretic fluid" (and also only a single backplane) is employed. Therefore, the mechanism must be a little bit different than the one described in the patent.
surrealize 10y ago
I was wondering the same thing. Just speculating about possible mechanisms: if the different colors have different particle sizes, then they'll move at different speeds. So if you modulate the strength and duration of the charge that you apply, I think you'd have some control over which colors end up at the front of your pixel. I don't know how you'd do different shades of 3/4 colors though.
- phkahler 10y ago
  That's interesting. Perhaps the colors respond to different frequencies. They did say they use all 8 primaries which would include black and white. So it's a question of how they proportion them at the front of the pixel.
  - geon 10y ago
    > They did say they use all 8 primaries No, they say they can display all 8 primaries.
Zardoz84 10y ago
White background and CMYK pigments ?

stonogo 10y ago

It's easy, in our digital world, to forget: electric charge is not binary. A gamut of pigments that responded to a range of charges would serve.

imaginenore 10y ago
That doesn't answer his question though. Let's say they have 4 types of particles: CMYK. If the charges are as follows: C > M > Y > K, you will always have C arrive to the front first. How do you make only Y go the front to display pure yellow?
- daurnimator 10y ago
  If it's like the video linked above (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2V9iuTW3sA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2V9iuTW3sA) it doesn't go straight from Y to C; the "pixel" has to cycle through all the other colours in between.
  - Turing_Machine 10y ago
    Maybe some kind of prism that flips one face at a time when it gets a pulse? The other thought that came to mind would be some sort of resonance system... send the right frequency, and the cyan (e.g.) particles bob up and down hard enough to reach the surface, where they'd stick. Each particle would have its own resonance frequency.
    - Turing_Machine 10y ago
      This looks like it may be the patent in question: https://www.google.com/patents/US8797634 https://www.google.com/patents/US8797634
      - Dylan16807 10y ago
        So in summary, there are two layers. Top has white and magenta, bottom has cyan and yellow. The magenta particles let light through, the others do not. The top layer can put white on top to make white. The top layer can pull all the particles to the side to be completely clear. This allows yellow/cyan/green depending on the state of the bottom layer. The top layer can put magenta on top and white on bottom to make magenta. The top layer can put magenta on top and pull white to the side to be clear magenta. This allows red/blue/black respectively, when the bottom layer is yellow/cyan/green. Edit: But the initial article specifically says "The display utilizes a single layer of electrophoretic fluid" so it sounds like it's using a different tech.
      - raphman_ 10y ago
        Hmm, the press release mentions that only " a single layer of electrophoretic fluid" (and also only a single backplane) is employed. Therefore, the mechanism must be a little bit different than the one described in the patent.

surrealize 10y ago

I was wondering the same thing. Just speculating about possible mechanisms: if the different colors have different particle sizes, then they'll move at different speeds. So if you modulate the strength and duration of the charge that you apply, I think you'd have some control over which colors end up at the front of your pixel. I don't know how you'd do different shades of 3/4 colors though.

phkahler 10y ago
That's interesting. Perhaps the colors respond to different frequencies. They did say they use all 8 primaries which would include black and white. So it's a question of how they proportion them at the front of the pixel.
- geon 10y ago
  > They did say they use all 8 primaries No, they say they can display all 8 primaries.

Zardoz84 10y ago

White background and CMYK pigments ?