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Why be optimistic at all? The more people are able to code, the less demand for it, the less salaries of the programmers.

sbuttgereit 10y ago
Gotta be pedantic on this one... Demand wouldn't decrease because of more developers being on the market. Supply would increase. Just because any one developer might be individually in less demand doesn't mean that demand for developers has decreased. Yes, this would still depress salaries for developers. Having said that, there is no fixed amount demand for developers. If development resources are a bottleneck for development projects moving forward, there being more developers may actually increase demand. This comes about as projects that otherwise wouldn't be started do get started and may, themselves, not be able to be fully staffed even with the new blood. I don't know that this would actually happen... but then again I suspect the Japanese don't really know what will happen either. You can't just look at the two values of current demand and current supply and extrapolate that into a vision of the future... there are many, many more variables than that.
- simunaga 10y ago
  Interesting. The situation when robots not only take the people jobs but because of the robots new jobs get created, comes to mind. Isn't it similar to that? Yet, I think that robots don't create as many jobs as they take.
  - imtringued 10y ago
    Right now a lack of robots is actually the problem. Otherwise we wouldn't even consider outsourcing manufacturing to asia.
    - simunaga 10y ago
      problem for whom? how's that a problem that people is asia now are able to earn money?
DasIch 10y ago
There wouldn't be less demand, there would be a higher supply. In any case IoT is doing it's best to massively increase demand for programmers. Once everything is sufficiently IoTified programming will be as common a tool as a hammer.
- simunaga 10y ago
  and? higher supply cases less demand. it's as simple as 2+2.
  - DasIch 10y ago
    It doesn't cause less demand. Demand should stay constant. It may even rise because the price drops and more people can now afford to buy the product.
    - simunaga 10y ago
      call it competition then. it'll become higher and salaries are lower.

sbuttgereit 10y ago

Gotta be pedantic on this one... Demand wouldn't decrease because of more developers being on the market. Supply would increase. Just because any one developer might be individually in less demand doesn't mean that demand for developers has decreased. Yes, this would still depress salaries for developers. Having said that, there is no fixed amount demand for developers. If development resources are a bottleneck for development projects moving forward, there being more developers may actually increase demand. This comes about as projects that otherwise wouldn't be started do get started and may, themselves, not be able to be fully staffed even with the new blood. I don't know that this would actually happen... but then again I suspect the Japanese don't really know what will happen either. You can't just look at the two values of current demand and current supply and extrapolate that into a vision of the future... there are many, many more variables than that.

simunaga 10y ago
Interesting. The situation when robots not only take the people jobs but because of the robots new jobs get created, comes to mind. Isn't it similar to that? Yet, I think that robots don't create as many jobs as they take.
- imtringued 10y ago
  Right now a lack of robots is actually the problem. Otherwise we wouldn't even consider outsourcing manufacturing to asia.
  - simunaga 10y ago
    problem for whom? how's that a problem that people is asia now are able to earn money?

DasIch 10y ago

There wouldn't be less demand, there would be a higher supply. In any case IoT is doing it's best to massively increase demand for programmers. Once everything is sufficiently IoTified programming will be as common a tool as a hammer.

simunaga 10y ago
and? higher supply cases less demand. it's as simple as 2+2.
- DasIch 10y ago
  It doesn't cause less demand. Demand should stay constant. It may even rise because the price drops and more people can now afford to buy the product.
  - simunaga 10y ago
    call it competition then. it'll become higher and salaries are lower.