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> How common will electric charging stations be if it turns out that EVs can't rise above 10% of the total car market? One of the beauties of EVs is you don't

by ebbv 10y ago

> How common will electric charging stations be if it turns out that EVs can't rise above 10% of the total car market? One of the beauties of EVs is you don't need charging stations. I leased a Nissan LEAF 2 years ago, and it almost only gets charged at home. You can't really know whether EVs are going to take over or not, it depends on too many factors. If our government gets bamboozled with Hydrogen the way they did with Ethanol, then yeah Hydrogen cars could become more popular than EVs. But I would argue that even in that world, EVs are the better choice. They are lower maintenance and like I said, you don't need refueling stations. Your car refuels while it's parked in your garage.

sowbug 10y ago
The best part of an electric car is starting every day with a full tank. I could never switch back to gas for that one reason. [edit: yes, I know it's an anachronism. I still dial phones, too.]
spacecowboy_lon 10y ago
But what proportion of houses have off road parking in your own garage. Also think what does this do to the Electricity Grid if a non trivial amount of EV's are put on charge every night.
- timthorn 10y ago
  Overnight demand is substantially less than daytime - last night's demand in the UK was about 20% lower:http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/index.php http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/index.php The grid would prefer a another demand curve, so overnight charging is helpful.
  - spacecowboy_lon 10y ago
    Is that going to be the same when say 15%-20% of the nation plugs in a car every evening - its going to the surge when people go to make a cup of tea when the adverts are on during coronation street look tame.
    - WorldMaker 10y ago
      Car charging is a steady, predictable usage of electricity. People don't all arrive home at the exact same time. Additionally, being giant batteries, electric cars have the means to charge when most advantageous to the national grid. Most electric cars already have an option to wait to charge until off peak rates happen. (Off peak rates being cheaper because low overall demand.) But electric cars may be useful to the grid as giant surge protectors for things just like that cup of tea electric kettle break. Under some of the "smart grid" proposals, the electric companies would be able to not feed electricity to a vehicle in those brief moments of high demand on the grid, prioritizing immediate needs like people's kettles. Furthermore, "smart grid" ideas could even use electric cars as battery backup options, "leasing" already stored energy back from the car and paying it back later, as changes in demand happen. Even if some of those "smart grid" ideas don't get nationalized, you could still theoretically take advantage of some of those kinds of things in your own home. So if anything, electric cars may be surge stabilizers rather than surge causers.
- WorldMaker 10y ago
  Street parking solutions are being proposed. Many streets already have power to the street (street lamps and similar street furniture) and chargers become the new parking meter. Also, there's experiments in street-installed inductive chargers (like the wireless chargers you can buy for many phones these days) and even companies exploring the logical extreme of street-level inductive chargers the "power road" (where the car can draw an inductive charge even while driving), which seems unlikely to be pragmatic but still interesting to experiment with.
emptyfile 10y ago
>One of the beauties of EVs is you don't need charging stations >Your car refuels while it's parked in your garage. So not only do you need to own a charging station you also need a house and a garage, got it.
- dragontamer 10y ago
  And then the 240V charger in the garage, in case you want to actually charge your car faster than eight hours. (IIRC, its 72-hours to charge a Tesla on 110V)
- jjulius 10y ago
  You do not need to own a charging station. My Leaf charges to 100% overnight just fine and it plugs into a standard 110 wall outlet in my house. You also don't need a garage, as they charge just fine outdoors (been charging mine in my driveway for 1.5 years), but that's just arguing semantics at this point.

by ebbv 10y ago

sowbug 10y ago

The best part of an electric car is starting every day with a full tank. I could never switch back to gas for that one reason. [edit: yes, I know it's an anachronism. I still dial phones, too.]

spacecowboy_lon 10y ago

But what proportion of houses have off road parking in your own garage. Also think what does this do to the Electricity Grid if a non trivial amount of EV's are put on charge every night.

timthorn 10y ago
Overnight demand is substantially less than daytime - last night's demand in the UK was about 20% lower:http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/index.php http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/index.php The grid would prefer a another demand curve, so overnight charging is helpful.
- spacecowboy_lon 10y ago
  Is that going to be the same when say 15%-20% of the nation plugs in a car every evening - its going to the surge when people go to make a cup of tea when the adverts are on during coronation street look tame.
  - WorldMaker 10y ago
    Car charging is a steady, predictable usage of electricity. People don't all arrive home at the exact same time. Additionally, being giant batteries, electric cars have the means to charge when most advantageous to the national grid. Most electric cars already have an option to wait to charge until off peak rates happen. (Off peak rates being cheaper because low overall demand.) But electric cars may be useful to the grid as giant surge protectors for things just like that cup of tea electric kettle break. Under some of the "smart grid" proposals, the electric companies would be able to not feed electricity to a vehicle in those brief moments of high demand on the grid, prioritizing immediate needs like people's kettles. Furthermore, "smart grid" ideas could even use electric cars as battery backup options, "leasing" already stored energy back from the car and paying it back later, as changes in demand happen. Even if some of those "smart grid" ideas don't get nationalized, you could still theoretically take advantage of some of those kinds of things in your own home. So if anything, electric cars may be surge stabilizers rather than surge causers.
WorldMaker 10y ago
Street parking solutions are being proposed. Many streets already have power to the street (street lamps and similar street furniture) and chargers become the new parking meter. Also, there's experiments in street-installed inductive chargers (like the wireless chargers you can buy for many phones these days) and even companies exploring the logical extreme of street-level inductive chargers the "power road" (where the car can draw an inductive charge even while driving), which seems unlikely to be pragmatic but still interesting to experiment with.

emptyfile 10y ago

>One of the beauties of EVs is you don't need charging stations >Your car refuels while it's parked in your garage. So not only do you need to own a charging station you also need a house and a garage, got it.

dragontamer 10y ago
And then the 240V charger in the garage, in case you want to actually charge your car faster than eight hours. (IIRC, its 72-hours to charge a Tesla on 110V)
jjulius 10y ago
You do not need to own a charging station. My Leaf charges to 100% overnight just fine and it plugs into a standard 110 wall outlet in my house. You also don't need a garage, as they charge just fine outdoors (been charging mine in my driveway for 1.5 years), but that's just arguing semantics at this point.