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In Turkey a lot of women wear burkas or some variation (depending on the specific religion sub-division). In Greece I've seen people (I might have done it mysel

by atmosx 10y ago

In Turkey a lot of women wear burkas or some variation (depending on the specific religion sub-division). In Greece I've seen people (I might have done it myself) stopping with a motorcycle in the ATM and withdrawing money wearing a helmet and leaving, 90 seconds in total. This can't be done in some ATMs which require you to look at the camera before entering the ATM room[1]. However, that's like 5% of the available ATMs. [1] In Greece this is illegal. The fact that Banks for years get away with taking pictures without any kind of explicit agreement adds to the narrative that Greece is (officially now) a protectorate and banks are WAY above state where it matters.

djrogers 10y ago
Wait, it's against the law for me to photograph someone entering my property?
- deleted 10y ago
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- pjc50 10y ago
  European data protection rules apply to CCTV systems; they're generally legal with signs and appropriate policy. (Compare US law on taping phone conversations)
- zo1 10y ago
  The act of taking the photograph is probably not illegal. But something to the tune of "All user biometrics shall only be stored with the consent of the subject." pretty much means it is illegal to do so, unless you have some sort of sign. This type of law is usually under the guise of protection of personal information, or some other flag. Though the laws vary in many countries. For the sake of argument, I'm simply saying it's not illegal to photograph someone entering your property in order to point out how "secondary" or "related" laws apply without ever explicitly being defined so.
- atmosx 10y ago
  Without his consent? Absolutely. In Greece the police will have you remove any camera that faces the street (even a small chunk of it) if you're not a bank of course. Now when we're talking about private property, written consent about what you do with that data is obligatory. Indeed these banks receive tons of lawsuits every year, but if there's something more rotten in Greece than the economy is the justice estate...
m00dy 10y ago
*Hey this is a turkish guy and you just wrote something wrong there In Turkey not a lot of women wear burkas. Burkas and the variation that you would like to point are different things. If you wear burkas, it will be really hard for video surveillance. Because only your eyes and wrinkles around them are visible. The other variation "Head Scarf" which lets your face totally visible is ok for identifying people. From cultural perspective, a lot of women in Turkey wear "head scarf". It is a symbol that you are a part of a religion and you share almost the same vision with the religion that you are a member of. But burkas is different. It means you feel more radicalized in terms of religion. A social example would be shaking hanks with women. If you are a man in Turkey and have a intend to shake a woman's hands, you can do it with a woman wearing "headscarf" but not burkas. So, basically No. They don't wear burkas at all may be 4% percent at most. Below is my personal opinion. I don't really understand why people are bullshitting my country. You never lived there. What you just wrote is a black propaganda. What is the relation between wearing burkas in Turkey and ATM heist? You are not in that position to conclude that opinion. It is just a subliminal message. A recent survey in Turkey showed that Atheism and other close variants are on the rise at its highest rate ever. I hope that one day people in Turkey will break their chains and get rid of that human-made arabic culture.
- otec 10y ago
  I was in Turkey last week and 80% of women wore burkas. I don't think you're Turk.
- afsina 10y ago
  True that in Turkey very little amount of women wears clothing that veils the face, but you are over reacting. Previous commenter just count two potential ways of avoiding ATM surveillance.
  - gotchange 10y ago
    They're probably Saudi or Gulf Arab tourists and not Turkish. At least, that was my experience when I have been to Turkey the last time and I'm from the region, I have an easy job identifying people's background from their accent, form and attire than outsiders.
zo1 10y ago
I had a look, and apparently there is quite a bit of controversy regarding Islamic headscarfs in Turkey: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headscarf_controversy_in_Turkey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headscarf_controversy_in_Turke... And then I was confused what constitutes a headscarf, so I found this: www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/24118241

by atmosx 10y ago

djrogers 10y ago

Wait, it's against the law for me to photograph someone entering my property?

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pjc50 10y ago
European data protection rules apply to CCTV systems; they're generally legal with signs and appropriate policy. (Compare US law on taping phone conversations)
zo1 10y ago
The act of taking the photograph is probably not illegal. But something to the tune of "All user biometrics shall only be stored with the consent of the subject." pretty much means it is illegal to do so, unless you have some sort of sign. This type of law is usually under the guise of protection of personal information, or some other flag. Though the laws vary in many countries. For the sake of argument, I'm simply saying it's not illegal to photograph someone entering your property in order to point out how "secondary" or "related" laws apply without ever explicitly being defined so.
atmosx 10y ago
Without his consent? Absolutely. In Greece the police will have you remove any camera that faces the street (even a small chunk of it) if you're not a bank of course. Now when we're talking about private property, written consent about what you do with that data is obligatory. Indeed these banks receive tons of lawsuits every year, but if there's something more rotten in Greece than the economy is the justice estate...

m00dy 10y ago

*Hey this is a turkish guy and you just wrote something wrong there In Turkey not a lot of women wear burkas. Burkas and the variation that you would like to point are different things. If you wear burkas, it will be really hard for video surveillance. Because only your eyes and wrinkles around them are visible. The other variation "Head Scarf" which lets your face totally visible is ok for identifying people. From cultural perspective, a lot of women in Turkey wear "head scarf". It is a symbol that you are a part of a religion and you share almost the same vision with the religion that you are a member of. But burkas is different. It means you feel more radicalized in terms of religion. A social example would be shaking hanks with women. If you are a man in Turkey and have a intend to shake a woman's hands, you can do it with a woman wearing "headscarf" but not burkas. So, basically No. They don't wear burkas at all may be 4% percent at most. Below is my personal opinion. I don't really understand why people are bullshitting my country. You never lived there. What you just wrote is a black propaganda. What is the relation between wearing burkas in Turkey and ATM heist? You are not in that position to conclude that opinion. It is just a subliminal message. A recent survey in Turkey showed that Atheism and other close variants are on the rise at its highest rate ever. I hope that one day people in Turkey will break their chains and get rid of that human-made arabic culture.

otec 10y ago
I was in Turkey last week and 80% of women wore burkas. I don't think you're Turk.
afsina 10y ago
True that in Turkey very little amount of women wears clothing that veils the face, but you are over reacting. Previous commenter just count two potential ways of avoiding ATM surveillance.
- gotchange 10y ago
  They're probably Saudi or Gulf Arab tourists and not Turkish. At least, that was my experience when I have been to Turkey the last time and I'm from the region, I have an easy job identifying people's background from their accent, form and attire than outsiders.

zo1 10y ago

I had a look, and apparently there is quite a bit of controversy regarding Islamic headscarfs in Turkey: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headscarf_controversy_in_Turkey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headscarf_controversy_in_Turke... And then I was confused what constitutes a headscarf, so I found this: www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/24118241