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Google I/O 2016 Live Keynote
- sidcool 10y agoGoogle announces Google assistant. A conversational assistant similar to what Facebook Messenger is trying to do.
- Analemma_ 10y ago[Google announces Home, an Echo competitor] This seems cool. Echo is pretty neat but this space could use some competition. ["available later this year"] Ah, so it's doomed. Those four words are a death sentence, particularly from Google's hardware department.
- wstrange 10y agoI can see it possibly slipping, but there is no way they are not going to get this to market. It is simply too important.
- danieldk 10y agoI don't understand why anyone would want to have such a device in their home. How long before they start data mining conversations for better ad targeting? What if a state actor gets access to such devices? Is no one worried at all?
- IgorPartola 10y agoI have an Echo. It's great. To me the Amazon play for this is very straightforward: they want you buying Amazon stuff using it. They don't sell ads, they sell products. When they say that the device only listens for its own name locally, I believe it (sans someone hacking it to spy on people of course, but I don't believe that Amazon deliberately programmed it to do this). Google is a different story. I imagine that they would try to sell a device that listens 100% of the time and targets ads at you based on what you talk about. Google makes money by selling ads, not by making buying stuff convenient. Their incentive is different. Ideally, I'd love for Apple to create such a device, but it won't be open, would cost an arm and a leg, and would probably use Siri, which lags behind the Echo in what it can do by quite a bit now.
- westernmostcoy 10y agoAmazon does sell ads, actually. A quick search would have shown you this[0], and they show up for Kindle users, on www.amazon.com, and elsewhere. It is highly likely Echo will be involved at some point. I think the rest of your post is conjecture, but does this change your opinion? Amazon is a diverse business that wants to sell many things, including your eyeballs (or ears in the case of Echo) to others via advertising. [0]: https://advertising.amazon.com/ https://advertising.amazon.com/
- IgorPartola 10y agoFirst off, this is all my opinion, not absolute truth. Second, sure Amazon does ads on the side, but the majority of their money is made by selling their own products. Occam's Razor suggests that they simply want to sell you stuff using one more way. Notice that the Echo didn't do almost anything when it was initially released, except allowing you to buy stuff. That was the part that they worked out before launching it. Also, don't forget that Amazon also has a number of other devices that are very similar: the Dash button and Amazon Fresh come to mind. The Echo fits nicely in line with it. I am not saying they couldn't use it for something nefarious: they could definitely abuse it. I just think that they have less incentive to do so than Google.
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- sidcool 10y agoGoogle launches Amazon Echo competitor, google home.
- drdoom 10y agoOh, no, Google Deflate has started... I watched the Goggle I/O event for 10 minutes. First, they talked about how they copied Siri. And now they are talking about how they copied Amazon Echo. Unlimited resources. Wasted...
- wstrange 10y agoThere is room for more than one competitor in the space, and I suspect this is going to set the standard. The integration with chromecast is really neat. I'll be getting one.
- sidcool 10y agoAnd what do you think they should do?
- ZenoArrow 10y agoCan you really not think of anything better? Let's put it like this, if you had billions of dollars to create something new, what would you want to create?
- drdoom 10y agoNew emojis !!! :-) I am looking forward to when they release the version where they are generated on the spot with their new GPU improvements.
- drdoom 10y agoLet's not go to what I think they should do. But for so much resources and combined talent, I would expect more than new sets of emojis. They way they were dishing it out was as if they brought peace on earth. Honestly, I would have felt embarrassed to mention it even in passing. (And what was with all those jeans and dress code in general?) Also, if you are copying Apple and Amazon, which are known for their attention to detail, how about improving things a bit? At the end of the voice demo, the app purchases the tickets (without showing prices, locations, times, etc. (and how do I set up those in the first place?)). Now, the kicker: the phone displays a QR code and asks the owner to show it at the ticket counter at the movies. Himmm.... Really? How about skipping that too and just buzzing/vibrating/texting the user with that info when actually at the movie theater? After all, they spent a whole lot of time talking about context awareness, location awareness, NLP processing, etc. Didn't Siri do this much years ago? Anyway, too many other things like that. I don't have time to list them all. I am just saying that a lot of people expected something more, and more cohesive.
- sidcool 10y agoGoogle Photos update: 200 million monthly active users. 1 trillion labels assigned.
- soared 10y agoCoincidentally just noticed firebase integrates with adwords as of today.
- Zikes 10y agoYet another messaging app: Allo. Goodbye Google Talk, Hangouts, Google Voice, and Messenger. This time, they're getting it right!
- shogun21 10y agoAre we really saying goodbye to those products or just adding another to the list?
- isseu 10y agoLooks like a way to join everything Also this is a direct competitor of whatsapp/telegram
- Zikes 10y agoWhy not just build the same features into Hangouts? It's already got enough momentum, instead they have to start from the ground floor yet again with a completely new app. Is it going to have SMS/MMS support built-in? Do I have to use it alongside Hangouts in the future? What features from Hangouts will I have to give up to use Allo? Are they going to sunset Hangouts, now that I've finally convinced (most) of my friends to at least install it? I'm pretty tempted to give up on Google and just use Whatsapp. At least I can trust that there's a business behind it in brand and concept. With Google, I haven't the slightest idea how much genuine effort they'll put into Allo. It took them years to fix integration issues with SMS/MMS in Hangouts, and there are still bugs and issues that have been simply ignored.
- Jtsummers 10y agoGoogle seems to have a lot of internal silos. The same can be observed in (historic?) Microsoft, current IBM, and other corporations. Perhaps the split into Alphabet with Google, et al. as subsidiaries will help? But I doubt it. Anyways, my point is: Someone has a good idea, they implement it, it reaches the point where it's not easily integrated into another product. Instead of strong corporate leadership directing that the new thing be integrated into the old thing (or vice versa), they allow both to exist. Eventually one or more products have to be boxed up. I guess the main problem will be with discovering when this will happen and which product. It should also be noted that, like WhatsApp with Facebook, Allo doesn't strictly require you to have an account beyond your phone number. This may be useful in helping it to grow as sign-up will be trivial. And users may eventually attach the app to their Google account (if they have one).
- sidcool 10y agoNew Communication apps: New Messaging app Allo. It can add emojis, whisper or shout and has smart replies like Inbox. It can also reply to images. And has the Google smart assistant.
- shogun21 10y agoIs this alongside or replacing Hangouts? A messaging app is only useful if enough of your friends use it.
- sschueller 10y agoThis is so DOA, bots can do most if this already in existing messaging app. Not putting this in hangout is a death blow. I'm not installing another chat app.
- mathgeek 10y ago> Not putting this in hangout is a death blow. I'm not installing another chat app. This is a big one for me. Unless I can have my A/V calls and SMS messages in the same app as other chat, I'm not going to use it.
- teen 10y agoi think you're really wrong about this one. people are tired of tying their google accounts to additional services. they really did need a fresh start in messaging
- sergiotapia 10y agoKind of cringey, feels like I'm watching a Sillicon Valley scene. Machine learning to one-hit reply "Cute dog"? Billions of dollars and these features seem pretty boring.
- Yhippa 10y agoI love what they're rolling out but I definitely feel like I'm at a Hooli event.
- tdkl 10y agoIt's a classic Google delusion - they produce keynote demos, not products. This Allo app doesn't solve the problem of people (that actually means all people you talk to) having to opt into it.
- losty 10y agoLet's hope they allow you to msg people you've had gmail correspondence with. Could be in a separate inbox until you accept them.
- Touche 10y agohttp://www.theverge.com/2016/5/18/11699122/google-allo-messaging-app-announced-io-2016 http://www.theverge.com/2016/5/18/11699122/google-allo-messa... > "It's really liberating to start from scratch sometimes," says Erik Kay Yeah, developers hate maintenance and improving existing products, but for users having 12 chat apps is really annoying.
- tdkl 10y agoIt also learns users that time investing into their apps doesn't last, which is basically company suicide.
- Jtsummers 10y agoFrom your article: In the example Google showed us, a graduation photo came through. The suggested replies were along the lines of "Congratulations!" and "You look great!" Think for a moment about what it takes to do that. Google recognized it was a graduation photo and then went a step beyond just guessing what it was, it guessed at appropriate responses. Umm. Its suggestions are no better than a simple like. It's less than greeting card sentiment. And it removes the need to even know what you're looking at. I'm not sure that's really a positive thing. Thread full of messages responding to pictures that the users never looked at. It's bad enough that for many people birthday and anniversary and holiday well-wishes are a simple "Happy Holidays" on someone's FB timeline or a text. Do we really need to automate sending those so that the sentiment is delivered but never actually shared? Dystopian future headline from December 25th, 2040: Millions of zombie "Happy Holiday" texts, Google to use death certificate database to fight zombies.
- jon-wood 10y agoI've not watched the keynote yet but I'm hopeful the announcement of Home will also come with opening up of Google Now's voice search similar to Alexa. I really want to like Google Now but it's just so limited at the moment - let me control Spotify, Hue bulbs, and my TV with it please!
- jon-wood 10y agoOh, and let me address it with something other than "OK, Google". Let me name it, or set the trigger phrase, or do an interpretive dance. Anything but that awful phrase.
- unprepare 10y agothat should have been painfully obvious from the outset. Has no one but me had friends try to trick my phone into going into voice command by yelling "OK Google" at it when i unlock it?
- chatmasta 10y agoI might be totally wrong about this, but I think the reason "OK Google" or "Hey Alexa" are immutable phrases is because the listening for them is implemented via an ASIC chip at the hardware level, in order to save on battery life. That is, instead of a software based `while(listening) {...}`, an actual hardware component looks for the correct wave forms from the microphone output.
- yaantc 10y agoI looked into this recently. Voice triggering is typically done on DSP and the digital processing power is typically already small compared to the microphone (which is not much itself). For power optimized applications the DSP implementation is power optimized (low speed, low leakage) and processing is done in two steps: a coarse, basic recognition with some false alarm probability, with an accurate second step. For a plugged device there's no need to super optimize, the DSP part should be in the single digit mW. A fixed trigger makes the system simpler however: no configuration to manage, no risk of having the kids randomly changing the trigger for something funny, etc.
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- barnacs 10y agoThis is just sad. Yet another messaging app. This time with ads built right into your private conversations. And the crowd cheers :(
- sidcool 10y agoWonder if WhatsApp had thought the same earlier. There's innovation possible in everything. Absolutely anything.
- hengheng 10y ago"Innovation".
- reustle 10y ago> "It's really liberating to start from scratch sometimes," says Erik Kay, director of engineering, communications products Yeah they sure do like starting new messaging projects don't they
- CameronBanga 10y agoThey just released a new chat app TWO DAYS AGO. Which do I use, even if I am a Google fan and love all things Google?
- Rezo 10y agoNext step in Allo: just automatically pick the best "smart reply" for me, add "smart questions" and we can leave both sides of the conversation to the bots. "Have your AI assistant contact my AI assistant to work out the details" :)
- mirekrusin 10y ago...that's funny, then you look at the transcript and see some jokes about humans and switching to binary protocol.
- what_a_disaster 10y agoYou can tell by the name that Allo is going to be a disaster.
- retox 10y ago(older) Brits will be reminded of the series Allo Allo, set during the occupation of France. Maybe there's room for a disposable message feature called 'I will say this only once...'
- insulanian 10y agoShhh... It is I, Leclerc.
- l33tfr4gg3r 10y agoGo piddle your massages elsewhere!
- isseu 10y agoGoogle concern about anonymity, cool
- what_a_disaster 10y agoThey are introducing another video app, duo? Why not integrate that into the original messaging app.
- what_a_disaster 10y agoWhy would I use this over FaceTime and iMessage?
- sidcool 10y agoAnd end to end encrypted one to one video calling chat.
- lanestp 10y agoGoogle knows that this is a developer conference right? I feel like I'm at CES. I don't care about any of their apps unless there is some really cool integrations I can do. Talk API's or this is just noise.
- netinstructions 10y agoWell, this is the keynote, which is generally used to debut things and get people (and especially the press) excited about the new things. I'd expect the subsequent sessions will have more developer specific details.
- Jtsummers 10y agoGoogle knows that this part is being watched by lots of people. This is where most media coverage will come from that the average user will encounter.
- cryptoz 10y agoCurrently listening to details about full disk encryption, when/how shaders are compiled for graphics improvements, SELinux improvements, etc. Seems like a developer conference for sure!
- lanestp 10y agoI know! Finally! Of course I can't help but see that the message Google took away from Stagefright was that they needed to harden their media frameworks rather than needing OS level security updates for all devices.
- sidcool 10y agoThey put a pretty good show on Android Studio and Firebase.
- ErikAugust 10y agoYeah, the first day is a huge hype show. All the journalists buzz around, and all the product managers/execs/reps are there to show off for them. For example, when I went, the wi-fi was horrible, basically unusable - except if you were in media. If you were media, then you got your own area to connect to better internet. That said, the subsequent days were noticeably quiet in comparison. Not too many people there to actually go to dev talks, etc. It's very relaxed by then.
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- amaks 10y agoVulkan in Android N is huge
- diegoloop 10y agoAndroid Security: What happened to Google? I remember back in the days when Apple said that they will reviewed all the apps before they appear on the App Stores. Now it looks reviewing apps before release is not cool anymore.
- mcintyre1994 10y agoI don't think Google ever manually reviewed, they've been adding more automated checks for a while though. And I think Apple still manually review.
- mavhc 10y agoThey have been for over a year apparently http://techcrunch.com/2015/03/17/app-submissions-on-google-play-now-reviewed-by-staff-will-include-age-based-ratings/ http://techcrunch.com/2015/03/17/app-submissions-on-google-p...
- stcredzero 10y agoIt totally failed to keep crap out of the store. The population of apps still fell to Sturgeon's Law. There was more opportunity for reviewers to do arbitrary crap to look like they were doing a job. Perhaps they did keep some of the more obvious violations out.
- rdtsc 10y agoDuo -- video calling, competitor to Skype? A "knock-knock" feature -- you see a preview of the caller before picking. Uses quic protocol, built by webrtc team, claims seamless transition when connections switch from wifi to cellular. Graceful degradation if network quality goes down. Allo -- video chat, e2e encryption and expiring messages. That looks good but unless someone else audits, I'll be suspicious. Android N -- Vulkan for games, that looks promising. New jit compiler, 75% faster app install speed, 50% reduction in size. File-based encryption. Seamless updates -- phone downloads system image in background. Then on next boot it switches to new image. Also split screen to see multiple windows at the same time. Those are some nice new features.
- what_a_disaster 10y agoThis is everything iPhone already has. Facetime works really works and iMessage has end-to-end encryption. What a disaster?
- unlinker 10y agoAndroid has been playing catch up on iPhone for years now, and they are starting to dangerously get close to them.
- dsr_ 10y ago"preview of the caller" -- you mean, you get a picture or video before they answer? NO. Edit: Apparently this is preview of the caller, not preview of the called. I'm OK with that.
- TeMPOraL 10y ago> New jit compiler, 75% faster app install speed, 50% reduction in speed. Wait, you mean they made apps install 75% faster but otherwise run 50% slower? That doesn't make much sense...
- rdtsc 10y agoI meant to write size. Thanks for catching it!
- St-Clock 10y agoThe best way to follow this keynote is through @pinboard twitter account [1]. It distorts the disruption. [1] https://twitter.com/pinboard https://twitter.com/pinboard
- robsun 10y agoIn my humble opinion Google isn't solving new problems anymore. They created great company thanks to solving very important problem: people couldn't find right things on the Internet. Now it is all about ads and reducing number of taps required to order a pizza. The keynote is just boring.
- sidcool 10y agoIt's not over yet :)
- wstrange 10y agoYea - I hear ya. Self driving cars, conversational AIs, VR hardware - same old same old.
- robsun 10y agoI agree with self driving cars. I almost forgot about them watching this keynote.
- antimatter 10y agoSelf driving cars, sure. A world changing project. The rest, I couldn't be more bored. Thanks for saving me from typing "cute dog". Ughh.
- 1_2__3 10y agoMm, yes, hoover up that Google marketing hype and spew it back out here to create the echo chamber necessary to convince people these technologies are just around the corner.
- tdkl 10y ago> conversational AIs Because I always wanted a chat app that I could talk to AI with, not my actual real life friends, as they're too busy not giving a fuck at another $chatapp from Google and are still mad at me at the last two I was trying to make them use.
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- vonklaus 10y agoIs there a full recording after this concludes? I want to watch(or scan) the i/o event stream, but I don't have time to do it now.
- robsun 10y agoJust noticed. They all wear Android smartwatches... I don't know single person in Europe who uses his Android smartwatch after couple of months!
- tdkl 10y agoTodoist Android app runs a WearSync Service all the time, despite I never went past one. After 6 months and two emails, they still didn't manage to fix that. Strava Android app runs a GoogleNowAuthentication Service 24/7. I stopped using the app last year, installed in in April 2016, saw it's still happening and hit them an email to support. I never got a non-automated response. I'm very enthusiastic that apps include various Google additions that are no use to me, but run 24/7. /s Maybe that's how we're going to "need" 6GB RAM phones.
- schwuk 10y agoAnecdotal, but I've worn my LG Urbane every day since I got it last September. Very happy with it.
- robsun 10y agoHappy to hear that. I sold my Moto 360 after ~year. I used it every day and until a software update broke it (it run into infinite loop of crashing Play services). I sent it to warranty and Motorola reinstalled the OS but in meantime I used my old, classic watch. It turned out I didn't miss 360. Other people I know have similar stories. Hopefully the platform is still alive. Does anyone develop apps for Android Watch? AFAIR there is no special category in Google Play for this.
- mike_hearn 10y agoI quite like my Huawei and wear it most days.
- sandGorgon 10y agoThe coolest part of the whole keynote (till now) has been developer tools. Android Studio 2.2 . Improvements to the compilers, many X improvements to instant run, automatic test generation, C++ debugging and constrained layout editors. firebase - very cool. This is huge...
- sidcool 10y agoAndroid 2.2 is out with sweet sweet features. Dying to get my hands on it.
- outside1234 10y ago"Android Instant Apps" -> aka web hijacker
- spriggan3 10y agoAKA the return of plugins! to be fair it's the most interesting announce in the whole conference so far. By the way, this is clearly a first step for the merging of ChromeOS and Android. It is also possible that these "apps" will have limited access to Android APIs. In fact, I'd like to see exactly that in my Chrome browser on my desktop just to give it a try.
- callahad 10y agoI really wonder how this pairs with Google's push for Progressive Web Apps. The two seem to be in direct opposition.
- dragonwriter 10y agoI see them aligned in terms of what they are trying to achieve UX-wise, one serves the community that is already building web apps, one serves the community that's already building mobile apps, both get you low-friction, native (or native-like) UX.
- callahad 10y agoI must be missing something; all of this feels very uncoordinated. The primary entry point into Android Instant Apps are normal URLs which get shared over Email, SMS, or Instant Messaging, but for those URLs to ever get shared, they must already exist and work on the current web. So you still have to put in the effort of building a full Web experience. ...and Android can automatically enhance progressive web apps to provide experiences that are capable of being indistinguishable from native. Plus, it will work just fine everywhere else. Because it's the Web. And you pretty much have to get close to that point anyway, since Instant Apps are useless without preexisting, functioning links for the app to hijack... why would you then duplicate the effort to have a version written in Java? Access to payment APIs is compelling for the B&H demo, but for Buzzfeed? ...and wouldn't you already be doing your damnedest to provide a similar experience for iOS or desktop users, on the Web itself?
- kuzmin 10y agoSuch a great moment when they open the "Buzzfeed instant app" and half the screen is covered by an ad..
- sidcool 10y agoI find it scary there was absolutely no mention or even a hint of Google+ and Hangouts. They sure seem to be on their way out.
- dep_b 10y agoConstraint layouts with a visual editor. While a significant part of the iOS developer community doesn't like to work that way apparently there's not better solution out there?
- hackaflocka 10y agoDid they announce anything re: Android for the desktop? Anyone know what's going on with Android+Chrome integration?
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- chippy 10y agoI really miss IRC back channels at conferences.
- Roritharr 10y agoWill Magic Leap get its own conference?
- hobarrera 10y ago"I/O Live will resume soon" It's been like that for a few hours now.