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It sure as hell doesn't work with lung cancer. My dad had been sugar free for almost a decade prior to his diagnosis of small cell adenocarcinoma. He lasted a

by crikli 10y ago

It sure as hell doesn't work with lung cancer. My dad had been sugar free for almost a decade prior to his diagnosis of small cell adenocarcinoma. He lasted almost a year.

leonroy 10y ago
Sorry for your loss. Can you elaborate on whether his diet excluded rice, refined grains and any other sort of simple carbs? I was rather shocked to see in the documentary 'Fed Up' that all these carb rich foods get broken down to simple sugar molecules pretty darn quick and as far as the body is concerned are identical to sugar.
- joeyspn 10y ago
  Simple carbs are known to cause big spikes in insulin levels. So it's not a sugar-free diet alone, but also one has to contemplate glycemic index and glycemic load of apparently non-sugary foods.... http://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases-and-conditions/glycemic_index_and_glycemic_load_for_100_foods http://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases-and-conditions/glycem... As reflected in the article, the key is keeping the insulin levels at bay.
  - copperx 10y ago
    Metformin helps too.
- crikli 10y ago
  Dad had adopted a (basically) ketogenic diet. He wasn't obsessively strict about it, he'd cheat, but he did a pretty good job of avoiding cheap complex carbs like bread/pasta. In all honesty, I'm pretty touchy about alternative cancer treatments. Probably too touchy. :) I watched Dad choke down blended flaxseed and cottage cheese. I had to talk him out of handing over what little money he and Mom had to some charlatan who claimed to be able to cure cancer with sound waves. And he was also pitched this "cancer lives on sugar, starve the cancer" horsecrap. It was all complete bullshit and he fucking died right when the doctor told me he would after Dad was diagnosed. There are vampires and leaches out there selling fraudulent hope to the desperate. It's amazing to watch them crawl out of the woodwork.
  - tptacek 10y ago
    I really can't imagine how horrible that must have been to experience. I'm sorry you went through it. Cancer is a bunch of different diseases. I think we get into a lot of trouble when we talk about it in simplified terms. There are stories about certain kinds of cancers having a metabolic component. I have a friend who had a very, very serious cancer which appears to have responded to metabolic therapy. It may not all be "horsecrap". But it's surely not a cure-all, either.
    - crikli 10y ago
      "It may not all be 'horsecrap'" It's probably not. Bitterness creeps in far too easily and my words became caustic.
  - leonroy 10y ago
    > In all honesty, I'm pretty touchy about alternative cancer treatments. Can completely understand, a lot of prats out there who take advantage of desperate folk struggling with an awful, awful disease.

by crikli 10y ago

It sure as hell doesn't work with lung cancer. My dad had been sugar free for almost a decade prior to his diagnosis of small cell adenocarcinoma. He lasted almost a year.

leonroy 10y ago

Sorry for your loss. Can you elaborate on whether his diet excluded rice, refined grains and any other sort of simple carbs? I was rather shocked to see in the documentary 'Fed Up' that all these carb rich foods get broken down to simple sugar molecules pretty darn quick and as far as the body is concerned are identical to sugar.

joeyspn 10y ago
Simple carbs are known to cause big spikes in insulin levels. So it's not a sugar-free diet alone, but also one has to contemplate glycemic index and glycemic load of apparently non-sugary foods.... http://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases-and-conditions/glycemic_index_and_glycemic_load_for_100_foods http://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases-and-conditions/glycem... As reflected in the article, the key is keeping the insulin levels at bay.
- copperx 10y ago
  Metformin helps too.
crikli 10y ago
Dad had adopted a (basically) ketogenic diet. He wasn't obsessively strict about it, he'd cheat, but he did a pretty good job of avoiding cheap complex carbs like bread/pasta. In all honesty, I'm pretty touchy about alternative cancer treatments. Probably too touchy. :) I watched Dad choke down blended flaxseed and cottage cheese. I had to talk him out of handing over what little money he and Mom had to some charlatan who claimed to be able to cure cancer with sound waves. And he was also pitched this "cancer lives on sugar, starve the cancer" horsecrap. It was all complete bullshit and he fucking died right when the doctor told me he would after Dad was diagnosed. There are vampires and leaches out there selling fraudulent hope to the desperate. It's amazing to watch them crawl out of the woodwork.
- tptacek 10y ago
  I really can't imagine how horrible that must have been to experience. I'm sorry you went through it. Cancer is a bunch of different diseases. I think we get into a lot of trouble when we talk about it in simplified terms. There are stories about certain kinds of cancers having a metabolic component. I have a friend who had a very, very serious cancer which appears to have responded to metabolic therapy. It may not all be "horsecrap". But it's surely not a cure-all, either.
  - crikli 10y ago
    "It may not all be 'horsecrap'" It's probably not. Bitterness creeps in far too easily and my words became caustic.
- leonroy 10y ago
  > In all honesty, I'm pretty touchy about alternative cancer treatments. Can completely understand, a lot of prats out there who take advantage of desperate folk struggling with an awful, awful disease.