4 ms·

I read these things, and I think "My disicipline - computer science - has failed." Rent seeking - now with more death.

ilaksh 10y ago
It's not computer sciences failure it's a management issue that stems from a very primitive organizational design of the military. For example, the engineers did not sign off on buggy systems. The executive officers did because they had a contract with an archaic structure that is not compatible with software development and required the milestone to be met or there be penalities. But the reason the milestones weren't met in the first place was poor management and contract structure created by those executives in the first place. Biggest issue is too much ambition and too much budget trying to be crammed into one project. Other big issue is lack of closed feedback loops. It looks like the devs do not have a production system to do integration testing on. There are probably communication barriers between QA testers ie pilots and devs, caused again by poor structure and culture of military. Also likely very long lag between releases so few opportunities for iteration. Also likely using outdated programming languages like C++ for application-level logic. The nation-state's deadly enforcers eg military are directly descended from historical organized crime, since nations generally started as simply the most powerful families. Look at the first premise of this whole thing: we are going to fly around and missile/bomb the shit out of you if you don't go along with our global domination. So from the beginning it is poorly planned.
- ArkyBeagle 10y ago
  But medicine works in the military. We just don't do "first, do no harm." This is just brought more sharply in focus by the nature of the F35. I understand completely your point. The distinctions between militaries and crime families is the chain of command and accountability - they're subject to oversight by a legitimate government. The hot job in DoD contractor is contracting itself - feed the beast. The actual work is a minor annoyance to them. It's just careerism on stilts.
  - hackuser 10y ago
    > medicine works in the military There have been many large scandals with military hospitals and veterans care in the U.S.
    - tssva 10y ago
      There have been scandals involving veterans care; however, in the U.S. the hospitals and care for veterans is provided by the Veterans Administration, a cabinet level civilian run agency, and not the Department of Defense, so not military hospitals.
      - hackuser 10y ago
        There were major problems at Walter Reed medical center, which is where seriously wounded active-duty soldiers are treated IIRC. Just skim these headlines: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=walter%20reed%20scandal%20site%3Anytimes.com https://duckduckgo.com/?q=walter%20reed%20scandal%20site%3An...

It's not computer sciences failure it's a management issue that stems from a very primitive organizational design of the military. For example, the engineers did not sign off on buggy systems. The executive officers did because they had a contract with an archaic structure that is not compatible with software development and required the milestone to be met or there be penalities. But the reason the milestones weren't met in the first place was poor management and contract structure created by those executives in the first place. Biggest issue is too much ambition and too much budget trying to be crammed into one project. Other big issue is lack of closed feedback loops. It looks like the devs do not have a production system to do integration testing on. There are probably communication barriers between QA testers ie pilots and devs, caused again by poor structure and culture of military. Also likely very long lag between releases so few opportunities for iteration. Also likely using outdated programming languages like C++ for application-level logic. The nation-state's deadly enforcers eg military are directly descended from historical organized crime, since nations generally started as simply the most powerful families. Look at the first premise of this whole thing: we are going to fly around and missile/bomb the shit out of you if you don't go along with our global domination. So from the beginning it is poorly planned.

ArkyBeagle 10y ago
But medicine works in the military. We just don't do "first, do no harm." This is just brought more sharply in focus by the nature of the F35. I understand completely your point. The distinctions between militaries and crime families is the chain of command and accountability - they're subject to oversight by a legitimate government. The hot job in DoD contractor is contracting itself - feed the beast. The actual work is a minor annoyance to them. It's just careerism on stilts.
- hackuser 10y ago
  > medicine works in the military There have been many large scandals with military hospitals and veterans care in the U.S.
  - tssva 10y ago
    There have been scandals involving veterans care; however, in the U.S. the hospitals and care for veterans is provided by the Veterans Administration, a cabinet level civilian run agency, and not the Department of Defense, so not military hospitals.
    - hackuser 10y ago
      There were major problems at Walter Reed medical center, which is where seriously wounded active-duty soldiers are treated IIRC. Just skim these headlines: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=walter%20reed%20scandal%20site%3Anytimes.com https://duckduckgo.com/?q=walter%20reed%20scandal%20site%3An...