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So would a ketogenic diet be effective then?

somesaba 10y ago
Yes, it would be helpful. Of course, other forms of treatment would still be needed.
socratis 10y ago
There are people who advocate that. The following video discusses some results in the area (link is to 41:05, where they show some rodent models). https://youtu.be/gONeCxtyH18?t=41m5s https://youtu.be/gONeCxtyH18?t=41m5s Of note is that that is in addition to (not instead of) standard care. It's also interesting to see many people taking Metformin (which inhibits glucose production in the liver) preventatively.
amelius 10y ago
There's a very interesting article about that here: https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/ketogenic-diets-for-cancer-hype-versus-science/ https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/ketogenic-diets-for-can...
ac2u 10y ago
Needs more studies. Armchair analysts find it intuitive though, but we don't know for sure yet.
- retroafroman 10y ago
  This is the best way to describe just about any diet or exercise ideas floated on HN.
  - commandar 10y ago
    People also tend to very much forget that cancer is not a disease, but a class of diseases. Not all cancers will respond equally to the same treatments.
    - nonbel 10y ago
      Can you give an example of a disease that responds equally to the same treatment in all people?
      - commandar 10y ago
        I'm not talking about across different people; I'm talking about different types of cancer. The causes and treatments for lymphatic cancers are different from lung cancers are different from breast cancers are different from prostate cancers are different from brain cancers are different from liver cancers, ad infinitum.
        dualogy 10y ago
        Well there must be some things they all have in common. Anaerobic environment I thought, is that still the case? No transport of oxygen via iron possible, in my layman's memory?
        Natanael_L 10y ago
        Like saying suffocating in vacuum and suffocating from oxygen substitution in an enclosed space (like by inert gasses) is equal. The causes are different enough that different solutions are necessary.
        nonbel 10y ago
        I don't see how this analogy works at all? In either case a space suit works doesn't it? Anyway, this whole "cancer isn't one disease" meme is best depicted by the bottom right panel of the second section of this comic: http://www.phdcomics.com/comics/archive.php?comicid=1162 http://www.phdcomics.com/comics/archive.php?comicid=1162 It looks just like the "string theory landscape", next you will be told that we need to stop worrying about comparing predictions to evidence when it comes to cancer research. Just wait a few years/decades. https://www.quantamagazine.org/20151216-physicists-and-philosophers-debate-the-boundaries-of-science/ https://www.quantamagazine.org/20151216-physicists-and-philo...

Yes, it would be helpful. Of course, other forms of treatment would still be needed.

There are people who advocate that. The following video discusses some results in the area (link is to 41:05, where they show some rodent models). https://youtu.be/gONeCxtyH18?t=41m5s https://youtu.be/gONeCxtyH18?t=41m5s Of note is that that is in addition to (not instead of) standard care. It's also interesting to see many people taking Metformin (which inhibits glucose production in the liver) preventatively.

amelius 10y ago

There's a very interesting article about that here: https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/ketogenic-diets-for-cancer-hype-versus-science/ https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/ketogenic-diets-for-can...

ac2u 10y ago

Needs more studies. Armchair analysts find it intuitive though, but we don't know for sure yet.

retroafroman 10y ago
This is the best way to describe just about any diet or exercise ideas floated on HN.
- commandar 10y ago
  People also tend to very much forget that cancer is not a disease, but a class of diseases. Not all cancers will respond equally to the same treatments.
  - nonbel 10y ago
    Can you give an example of a disease that responds equally to the same treatment in all people?
    - commandar 10y ago
      I'm not talking about across different people; I'm talking about different types of cancer. The causes and treatments for lymphatic cancers are different from lung cancers are different from breast cancers are different from prostate cancers are different from brain cancers are different from liver cancers, ad infinitum.
      - dualogy 10y ago
        Well there must be some things they all have in common. Anaerobic environment I thought, is that still the case? No transport of oxygen via iron possible, in my layman's memory?
        Natanael_L 10y ago
        Like saying suffocating in vacuum and suffocating from oxygen substitution in an enclosed space (like by inert gasses) is equal. The causes are different enough that different solutions are necessary.
        nonbel 10y ago
        I don't see how this analogy works at all? In either case a space suit works doesn't it? Anyway, this whole "cancer isn't one disease" meme is best depicted by the bottom right panel of the second section of this comic: http://www.phdcomics.com/comics/archive.php?comicid=1162 http://www.phdcomics.com/comics/archive.php?comicid=1162 It looks just like the "string theory landscape", next you will be told that we need to stop worrying about comparing predictions to evidence when it comes to cancer research. Just wait a few years/decades. https://www.quantamagazine.org/20151216-physicists-and-philosophers-debate-the-boundaries-of-science/ https://www.quantamagazine.org/20151216-physicists-and-philo...