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Was just saying the other day how it sucks seeing the web change. It's like when musicians complain about the music industry being over produced and too commerc

by Olscore 10y ago

Was just saying the other day how it sucks seeing the web change. It's like when musicians complain about the music industry being over produced and too commercialized. I remember back in the 90's how excited I was just by making links underline or change color (before CSS.) Thought it was the coolest thing ever. The web used to be a place to find people who shared the same interests and I feel that is no longer the case. Everything is hyper focused on metrics; likes, re-blogs, shares, comments, etc. It's pointless.

mike_hock 10y ago
I remember making links NOT underline to be the coolest thing ever.
chx 10y ago
There are still pockets of resistance, specific forums that do not go away. The traffic have dwindled on some but still, there's enough. Others are thriving.
- electricEmu 10y ago
  Where would someone find these pockets? I've felt a real lack of pulse since reader went away and the IRC channels I used to frequent sputtered out.
  - chx 10y ago
    As I said: forums. For example, if you travel a lot, flyertalk. There are several forums still alive for PC enthusiasts especially if you are building small factor machines or insane gaming rigs: hardforum, overclock.net etc.
  - AznHisoka 10y ago
    Healthboards and other health related forums. Nobody likes to discuss their health issues on Facebook or Twitter. same goes with relationships and mommy related forums.
    - Supi-lee 10y ago
      Not true. I have seen family members going through health issues make very strong, supporting friendships on private facebook groups dedicated to health stuff.
  - deleted 10y ago
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  - marchenko 10y ago
    This might be a use case for Slack
- api 10y ago
  Same is true with music. There's a whole world of amazing music out there that never gets a second of radio play or mainstream exposure. Occasionally it shows up in movie and TV scores but that's as close as it gets. Same goes for art, literature, etc. The great and ground breaking stuff is out there but you have to look for it. There is and probably always will be a pop "matrix" and a "Zion" known to those who stray.
  - fapjacks 10y ago
    This I have always not understood. There is some amazing stuff out there. Even music from genres I hate that sounds amazing when I listen to it, so you know it has to just be incredible. But that kind of thing is not what the establishment in <art, music, literature, whatever> are pushing.
    - Godel_unicode 10y ago
      Confirmation bias. Or are you really saying that there's no pop music you think is good?
      - cJ0th 10y ago
        Well, that's exactly the problem: it is all "good" these days. However, the ability to rate something as good implies that we talk about something we know how to rate and this is the case because the sample size of "good" songs is so incredibly huge by now. In fact, the market is totally saturated with "good" music but nothing has come to replace it yet. Just look at yesterday's Eurovision Song Contest: The songs were rather generic but they were all "good". When OP talks about amazing stuff I think what s/he gets at is that there is music out there which literally causes amazement instead of a "yeah, this is good" nod. Current pop music isn't meant to amaze you. If anything it serves as a utility. I.e. it makes unfortunate situations, like a long commute to your dead end job, more bearable.
        tommyman 10y ago
        good but no character. They are good in the sense that vocalists hit the notes they aim for (with or without autotuners), they are good in the sense that they have good harmonics, good rhythm etc. They just lack any kind of character. cookie-cutter songs from talented but unimaginative people. Their music lacks 'life'. I can't explain why but a good blues guitarist can strike a nerve just playing relatively simple licks if they do it well. It conveys a feeling that makes modern pop sound bland, lifeless, boring. There is no connection to the musician or the music. no soul. All said though music is a very much personal taste thing so each to their own. Today you will have 'I'm a barbie girl, in a barbie woo-oorld' stuck in your head. You're welcome :)
- PhasmaFelis 10y ago
  Niche forums have a been a major holdout for a long while, but even those are fading as profit-focused megaforums like Reddit take over the space and draw off potential new users. There's nothing that the commercial web won't suck dry if it can.
  - PhasmaFelis 10y ago
    (Of course, we're supposed to call this "disruption" and celebrate it.)
  - fucking_tragedy 10y ago
    The slow decline of niche forums to Redditized discussion forums has been painful. Reddit's format, culture and user base has been anathema to the principles that made older forums treasure troves of information and entertainment.
- bordercases 10y ago
  If we know the platforms they're running on then they could be detectable with deep-linked information via some Shodan equivalent, perhaps.
- gambler 10y ago
  Chat rooms, forums, comment sections of smaller, targeted, online magazines. I miss a lot of those. Centralized platforms pretend to replace and "improve" those technologies, but the end results are fake on many levels and ripe with problems that just weren't there before. Indeed, many forums are still there, and they're living proof that what I feel isn't just nostalgia. For me, they're the only only online places that still feel like... well, places. With certain space and boundaries. With people having conversations. You can get to know people on a forum. Can't imagine that happening on Reddit, especially on more popular subs. - I think that a large part of it is UI. "Social" media has marketing-driven UI, which might look cool, but encourages bad behaviors from users. Just look at YouTube comments. Do you think they would be so horrible if there was more separation between different videos and more effort required to post something?
russell 10y ago
The Eternal September all over again. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September
- fucking_tragedy 10y ago
  It never really ended.
meddlepal 10y ago
I'm wondering if something like IPFS is where the next layer of fun will really be for developers.
kingkawn 10y ago
Money makes things suck.

by Olscore 10y ago

mike_hock 10y ago

I remember making links NOT underline to be the coolest thing ever.

chx 10y ago

There are still pockets of resistance, specific forums that do not go away. The traffic have dwindled on some but still, there's enough. Others are thriving.

electricEmu 10y ago
Where would someone find these pockets? I've felt a real lack of pulse since reader went away and the IRC channels I used to frequent sputtered out.
- chx 10y ago
  As I said: forums. For example, if you travel a lot, flyertalk. There are several forums still alive for PC enthusiasts especially if you are building small factor machines or insane gaming rigs: hardforum, overclock.net etc.
- AznHisoka 10y ago
  Healthboards and other health related forums. Nobody likes to discuss their health issues on Facebook or Twitter. same goes with relationships and mommy related forums.
  - Supi-lee 10y ago
    Not true. I have seen family members going through health issues make very strong, supporting friendships on private facebook groups dedicated to health stuff.
- deleted 10y ago
  [deleted]
- marchenko 10y ago
  This might be a use case for Slack
api 10y ago
Same is true with music. There's a whole world of amazing music out there that never gets a second of radio play or mainstream exposure. Occasionally it shows up in movie and TV scores but that's as close as it gets. Same goes for art, literature, etc. The great and ground breaking stuff is out there but you have to look for it. There is and probably always will be a pop "matrix" and a "Zion" known to those who stray.
- fapjacks 10y ago
  This I have always not understood. There is some amazing stuff out there. Even music from genres I hate that sounds amazing when I listen to it, so you know it has to just be incredible. But that kind of thing is not what the establishment in <art, music, literature, whatever> are pushing.
  - Godel_unicode 10y ago
    Confirmation bias. Or are you really saying that there's no pop music you think is good?
    - cJ0th 10y ago
      Well, that's exactly the problem: it is all "good" these days. However, the ability to rate something as good implies that we talk about something we know how to rate and this is the case because the sample size of "good" songs is so incredibly huge by now. In fact, the market is totally saturated with "good" music but nothing has come to replace it yet. Just look at yesterday's Eurovision Song Contest: The songs were rather generic but they were all "good". When OP talks about amazing stuff I think what s/he gets at is that there is music out there which literally causes amazement instead of a "yeah, this is good" nod. Current pop music isn't meant to amaze you. If anything it serves as a utility. I.e. it makes unfortunate situations, like a long commute to your dead end job, more bearable.
      - tommyman 10y ago
        good but no character. They are good in the sense that vocalists hit the notes they aim for (with or without autotuners), they are good in the sense that they have good harmonics, good rhythm etc. They just lack any kind of character. cookie-cutter songs from talented but unimaginative people. Their music lacks 'life'. I can't explain why but a good blues guitarist can strike a nerve just playing relatively simple licks if they do it well. It conveys a feeling that makes modern pop sound bland, lifeless, boring. There is no connection to the musician or the music. no soul. All said though music is a very much personal taste thing so each to their own. Today you will have 'I'm a barbie girl, in a barbie woo-oorld' stuck in your head. You're welcome :)
PhasmaFelis 10y ago
Niche forums have a been a major holdout for a long while, but even those are fading as profit-focused megaforums like Reddit take over the space and draw off potential new users. There's nothing that the commercial web won't suck dry if it can.
- PhasmaFelis 10y ago
  (Of course, we're supposed to call this "disruption" and celebrate it.)
- fucking_tragedy 10y ago
  The slow decline of niche forums to Redditized discussion forums has been painful. Reddit's format, culture and user base has been anathema to the principles that made older forums treasure troves of information and entertainment.
bordercases 10y ago
If we know the platforms they're running on then they could be detectable with deep-linked information via some Shodan equivalent, perhaps.
gambler 10y ago
Chat rooms, forums, comment sections of smaller, targeted, online magazines. I miss a lot of those. Centralized platforms pretend to replace and "improve" those technologies, but the end results are fake on many levels and ripe with problems that just weren't there before. Indeed, many forums are still there, and they're living proof that what I feel isn't just nostalgia. For me, they're the only only online places that still feel like... well, places. With certain space and boundaries. With people having conversations. You can get to know people on a forum. Can't imagine that happening on Reddit, especially on more popular subs. - I think that a large part of it is UI. "Social" media has marketing-driven UI, which might look cool, but encourages bad behaviors from users. Just look at YouTube comments. Do you think they would be so horrible if there was more separation between different videos and more effort required to post something?

russell 10y ago

The Eternal September all over again. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September

fucking_tragedy 10y ago
It never really ended.

meddlepal 10y ago

I'm wondering if something like IPFS is where the next layer of fun will really be for developers.

kingkawn 10y ago

Money makes things suck.