> I guess its just the difficulty of projects coming from a university/science/research basis where these things arent valued because they are hard to quantify.

> I guess its just the difficulty of projects coming from a university/science/research basis where these things arent valued because they are hard to quantify. IMHO rather because in research projects at universities there is no position (in the sense that one can spend money on it) for people who aren't either researcher or administration. UX people surely have their importance but they neither bring research results nor they are a "necessary evil" (adminstration - which is no contradiction that good adminstration personal can be really helpful).