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I'm not a poor person who doesn't access to the hospitals. I have access to private hospitals because I have the best paid health plan, I didn't get Zika, Dengu

by ramon 10y ago

I'm not a poor person who doesn't access to the hospitals. I have access to private hospitals because I have the best paid health plan, I didn't get Zika, Dengue.. etc. Because I have anti-mosquito screens in my apartment, I protect myself..

ceejayoz 10y ago
You presumably open your door at times, or even go outside. Access to hospitals is irrelevant. @mhurron pointed out these diseases can often present as a mild cold, for which you'd never go to the hospital. You may well have gotten them without really noticing.
- ramon 10y ago
  This is a statement from someone that doesn't know Zika really, Zika the person feels really sick and feels their joints hurt a lot, is not like this is something that can go by without noticing! This is a really a statement from someone that doesn't understand what's Zika, people that don't understand what it's and what are the symptoms.
  - detaro 10y ago
    Source? The WHO information about it doesn't sounds like it has to feel all that bad http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/zika/en/ http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/zika/en/ People with Zika virus disease can have symptoms that can include mild fever, skin rash, conjunctivitis, muscle and joint pain, malaise or headache. […] Treatment Zika virus disease is usually relatively mild and requires no specific treatment. People sick with Zika virus should get plenty of rest, drink enough fluids, and treat pain and fever with common medicines. If symptoms worsen, they should seek medical care and advice.
    - ramon 10y ago
      Just replying to one for all of the above: Zika symptoms has nothing to do with Dengue, it's really awful, the person cannot even walk right, the person stays bad in bed then they get better slowly, it's a lot different from Dengue, but also depends because there's a type 3 of Dengue which is almost the same as Zika.
      - detaro 10y ago
        Both of the linked sources talk explicitly about Zika and not Dengue. What is the source/basis for your claim that they are wrong?
        ramon 10y ago
        @detaro I live in Rio and I have fellows who have had Dengue and Zika, there's no research paper, it's real life.
        ceejayoz 10y ago
        You're completely missing the point. Peer-reviewed research (http://journals.plos.org/plosntds/article?id=10.1371/journal.pntd.0004530 http://journals.plos.org/plosntds/article?id=10.1371/journal...) states that "80% being clinically asymptomatic during initial infection". For the 20% of symptomatic people, the WHO lists (http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/zika/en/ http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/zika/en/) similar symptoms to cold/flu, symptoms you wouldn't necessarily assume are Zika symptoms. Your friends you know have had Zika are symptomatic. You may have plenty of friends (not to mention yourself) in the much larger asymptomatic bucket. The "I don't think all the experts are right because anecdotes" attitude just makes you look silly.
        ramon 10y ago
        @ceejayoz If you think I look silly you may laugh no problem. But just having a bunch of Google searches and putting that all together to make your thesis is not the right way to go. What I'm saying is what they're affirming in a national government website is an incorrect statement rather then saying that the experts are wrong, don't miss understand my words. Best Regards,
      - solipsism 10y ago
        More facts from http://www.cdc.gov/zika/symptoms/ http://www.cdc.gov/zika/symptoms/ * Most people infected with Zika virus won’t even know they have the disease because they won’t have symptoms. * The illness is usually mild with symptoms lasting for several days to a week. * People usually don’t get sick enough to go to the hospital You believe your friends had Zika. bit they may not have. Given the Zika epidemic, I wouldn't be surprised if lots of sick people assumed they had Zika but in fact had something else. And, even if they had Zika, your anecdote does not trump what the CDC and WHO tell us.
  - mhurron 10y ago
    http://journals.plos.org/plosntds/article?id=10.1371/journal.pntd.0004530 http://journals.plos.org/plosntds/article?id=10.1371/journal... "Historically, adult human infection with Zika virus has presented with mild, non-life threatening symptoms in 20% of infected patients, with 80% being clinically asymptomatic during initial infection."
  - saint_fiasco 10y ago
    If Zika is similar to dengue, then only some people get those symptoms. Other people just feel something like they have influenza without the sneezes and the runny nose. Those diseases spread easily precisely because many people have it and don't stay home with mosquito net and repellents. They just go on with their lives, transmitting the disease to other people who may be more vulnerable and have worse symptoms.
    - ramon 10y ago
      It's a bit different, the symptoms regarding Zika are really strong, that's why people are certain it's Zika because you fall in bed really. So if I get through "transmission" I would get the same symptoms.. it's hard to understand but if you understand the different types of Dengue and their symptoms you will understand how Zika is different and it's not soft (like a cold or virus flu).
      - saint_fiasco 10y ago
        Most of the time people are not in fact certain that it's zika. That's why the number of confirmed cases is so low relative to the number of suspected cases. When you get common viral infection symptoms, it's common in Paraguay to avoid Aspirin just in case it's dengue, even if you don't have the joint pain and spots in the skin that the disease is known for. Some considerate people even use mosquito repellent when they get suspicious, so they won't transmit the disease in case it really is dengue.
Dylan16807 10y ago
Hospitals don't prevent diseases. The ability to go to a hospital also doesn't prevent diseases.

by ramon 10y ago

ceejayoz 10y ago

You presumably open your door at times, or even go outside. Access to hospitals is irrelevant. @mhurron pointed out these diseases can often present as a mild cold, for which you'd never go to the hospital. You may well have gotten them without really noticing.

ramon 10y ago
This is a statement from someone that doesn't know Zika really, Zika the person feels really sick and feels their joints hurt a lot, is not like this is something that can go by without noticing! This is a really a statement from someone that doesn't understand what's Zika, people that don't understand what it's and what are the symptoms.
- detaro 10y ago
  Source? The WHO information about it doesn't sounds like it has to feel all that bad http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/zika/en/ http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/zika/en/ People with Zika virus disease can have symptoms that can include mild fever, skin rash, conjunctivitis, muscle and joint pain, malaise or headache. […] Treatment Zika virus disease is usually relatively mild and requires no specific treatment. People sick with Zika virus should get plenty of rest, drink enough fluids, and treat pain and fever with common medicines. If symptoms worsen, they should seek medical care and advice.
  - ramon 10y ago
    Just replying to one for all of the above: Zika symptoms has nothing to do with Dengue, it's really awful, the person cannot even walk right, the person stays bad in bed then they get better slowly, it's a lot different from Dengue, but also depends because there's a type 3 of Dengue which is almost the same as Zika.
    - detaro 10y ago
      Both of the linked sources talk explicitly about Zika and not Dengue. What is the source/basis for your claim that they are wrong?
      - ramon 10y ago
        @detaro I live in Rio and I have fellows who have had Dengue and Zika, there's no research paper, it's real life.
        ceejayoz 10y ago
        You're completely missing the point. Peer-reviewed research (http://journals.plos.org/plosntds/article?id=10.1371/journal.pntd.0004530 http://journals.plos.org/plosntds/article?id=10.1371/journal...) states that "80% being clinically asymptomatic during initial infection". For the 20% of symptomatic people, the WHO lists (http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/zika/en/ http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/zika/en/) similar symptoms to cold/flu, symptoms you wouldn't necessarily assume are Zika symptoms. Your friends you know have had Zika are symptomatic. You may have plenty of friends (not to mention yourself) in the much larger asymptomatic bucket. The "I don't think all the experts are right because anecdotes" attitude just makes you look silly.
        ramon 10y ago
        @ceejayoz If you think I look silly you may laugh no problem. But just having a bunch of Google searches and putting that all together to make your thesis is not the right way to go. What I'm saying is what they're affirming in a national government website is an incorrect statement rather then saying that the experts are wrong, don't miss understand my words. Best Regards,
    - solipsism 10y ago
      More facts from http://www.cdc.gov/zika/symptoms/ http://www.cdc.gov/zika/symptoms/ * Most people infected with Zika virus won’t even know they have the disease because they won’t have symptoms. * The illness is usually mild with symptoms lasting for several days to a week. * People usually don’t get sick enough to go to the hospital You believe your friends had Zika. bit they may not have. Given the Zika epidemic, I wouldn't be surprised if lots of sick people assumed they had Zika but in fact had something else. And, even if they had Zika, your anecdote does not trump what the CDC and WHO tell us.
- mhurron 10y ago
  http://journals.plos.org/plosntds/article?id=10.1371/journal.pntd.0004530 http://journals.plos.org/plosntds/article?id=10.1371/journal... "Historically, adult human infection with Zika virus has presented with mild, non-life threatening symptoms in 20% of infected patients, with 80% being clinically asymptomatic during initial infection."
- saint_fiasco 10y ago
  If Zika is similar to dengue, then only some people get those symptoms. Other people just feel something like they have influenza without the sneezes and the runny nose. Those diseases spread easily precisely because many people have it and don't stay home with mosquito net and repellents. They just go on with their lives, transmitting the disease to other people who may be more vulnerable and have worse symptoms.
  - ramon 10y ago
    It's a bit different, the symptoms regarding Zika are really strong, that's why people are certain it's Zika because you fall in bed really. So if I get through "transmission" I would get the same symptoms.. it's hard to understand but if you understand the different types of Dengue and their symptoms you will understand how Zika is different and it's not soft (like a cold or virus flu).
    - saint_fiasco 10y ago
      Most of the time people are not in fact certain that it's zika. That's why the number of confirmed cases is so low relative to the number of suspected cases. When you get common viral infection symptoms, it's common in Paraguay to avoid Aspirin just in case it's dengue, even if you don't have the joint pain and spots in the skin that the disease is known for. Some considerate people even use mosquito repellent when they get suspicious, so they won't transmit the disease in case it really is dengue.

Dylan16807 10y ago

Hospitals don't prevent diseases. The ability to go to a hospital also doesn't prevent diseases.