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Wow, no, not even close. I mean no disrespect, but I think you need to reassess reality. There is a lot of bullshit in martial arts claims. Being able to dodge

by coryl 17y ago

Wow, no, not even close. I mean no disrespect, but I think you need to reassess reality. There is a lot of bullshit in martial arts claims. Being able to dodge bullets, is obviously one of them. Its not impossible to disarm a guy with a gun or knife, people spend their lives practicing it. But execution is a whole different ball game. You either succeed, or you die. If it matters, I train in brazilian jiu jitsu and boxing 4-5 days a week. In boxing, you can be highly skilled and duck, slip, and bob and weave punches. But if you become so cocky you decide to drop your hands and rely on your reflexes, you will be caught by even the worst fighters. Disarming a knife holder is NOT easy. Get a rubber knife, give it to your friend, and tell him to play robber. You'll get stabbed.

ErrantX 17y ago
> Disarming a knife holder is NOT easy. It is. I have been trained in unarmed combat and it is relatively easy with a little training. I personally would be confident of disarming, with minimal or no injury, someone unfamiliar in handling a knife. The first thing to remember is that if you take and maintain control of their wrist it is very hard for them to attack you - and harder to actually do serious damage. Usually they then focus on trying to regain control of the knife - at which point you either reach over with a spare hand and pressure point them into releasing the knife or you hit the solar plexus or whatever is within easy reach - really hard. EDIT: personally I would drive the heel of your hand into their jaw. It's an easy hit, hard to dodge (as you have their wrist) and big impact. > There is a lot of bullshit in martial arts claims. Being able to dodge bullets, is obviously one of them. Agreed. I think the Hunter story is probably a parable - but Morehei Ueshiba did dodge bullets according to historical accounts [1]. Note that dodging bullets here means he read their body signals and moved out of the path he knew the bullets were going to travel. Still good timing though. Body signal reading is one of the basics of Aikido. > But if you become so cocky you decide to drop your hands and rely on your reflexes, you will be caught by even the worst fighters. Ah... boxing. No disrespect intended here but boxers do get so cocky :D And your right that's where it fails. Martial arts is about discipline. It also trains you not to use reflexes. ever That will get you killed. This comes back to where I mentioned above that waiting to be attacked is the worst move: because you do then have to rely on reflexes to respond. If your attacking your always ahead of your opponent (unless they are also skilled) My personal survival training highlighted one thing: the mantra in a situation where your going to have to fight is - Be first, Be sudden, Be brutal. 1.http://martialarts.jameshom.com/library/weekly/aa043000.htm http://martialarts.jameshom.com/library/weekly/aa043000.htm
- coryl 17y ago
  Like I said, you can train all you want and have the best training in the world. It still doesn't make it a smart decision to try and engage a robber with a knife. My boxing point was: you pay for your mistakes. The penalty for your mistakes in boxing is a punch. In a knife fight, the penalty is severely amplified. And thats a risk you could totally avoid by NOT pushing the confrontation. So full circle: just because you're trained and think you can take on a knife wielding robber, doesn't mean you should.
  - ErrantX 17y ago
    > In a knife fight, the penalty is severely amplified. Unlilkely. This is another point: doing serious damage with a knife is tough (and by serious I mean life threatening). Even if you screw up and take a hit it is unlikely to be serious (or lose you the fight). And if your going to take a more serious hit you shouldn't be trying it :) > just because you're trained and think you can take on a knife wielding robber, doesn't mean you should. It means you should judge the situation and you have the serious option.
    - mos1 17y ago
      The chances of "winning" the physical fight could be insanely high, but it'd still make more sense to first try cooperation, to see if you could avoid the knife fight entirely.
      - ErrantX 17y ago
        I guess my training revolved around the idea that the you should never surrender an advantage if you have it. So my bias disagree's here :) I suspect we are both right.
        MrHyde 17y ago
        I've been reading your posts on this thread with fascination. Where exactly were you trained, if I might ask? The streets of Compton? No offense intended, it's just that "heavily injured by a baseball bat during training" doesn't sound like national military to me...
roc 17y ago
A good visual for that exercise is to skip the rubber knife; give your friend a marker. Pretend that's a knife and try to disarm him. When you're done, count up the marks and see how many times you'd have been cut and where. Even without taking into account the edge of the fictional knife, it's a pretty damning visual. (Also: with a standard rubber knife, too many of the hits during the exercise won't be noticed or remembered by either party.)

by coryl 17y ago

ErrantX 17y ago

> Disarming a knife holder is NOT easy. It is. I have been trained in unarmed combat and it is relatively easy with a little training. I personally would be confident of disarming, with minimal or no injury, someone unfamiliar in handling a knife. The first thing to remember is that if you take and maintain control of their wrist it is very hard for them to attack you - and harder to actually do serious damage. Usually they then focus on trying to regain control of the knife - at which point you either reach over with a spare hand and pressure point them into releasing the knife or you hit the solar plexus or whatever is within easy reach - really hard. EDIT: personally I would drive the heel of your hand into their jaw. It's an easy hit, hard to dodge (as you have their wrist) and big impact. > There is a lot of bullshit in martial arts claims. Being able to dodge bullets, is obviously one of them. Agreed. I think the Hunter story is probably a parable - but Morehei Ueshiba did dodge bullets according to historical accounts [1]. Note that dodging bullets here means he read their body signals and moved out of the path he knew the bullets were going to travel. Still good timing though. Body signal reading is one of the basics of Aikido. > But if you become so cocky you decide to drop your hands and rely on your reflexes, you will be caught by even the worst fighters. Ah... boxing. No disrespect intended here but boxers do get so cocky :D And your right that's where it fails. Martial arts is about discipline. It also trains you not to use reflexes. ever That will get you killed. This comes back to where I mentioned above that waiting to be attacked is the worst move: because you do then have to rely on reflexes to respond. If your attacking your always ahead of your opponent (unless they are also skilled) My personal survival training highlighted one thing: the mantra in a situation where your going to have to fight is - Be first, Be sudden, Be brutal. 1.http://martialarts.jameshom.com/library/weekly/aa043000.htm http://martialarts.jameshom.com/library/weekly/aa043000.htm

coryl 17y ago
Like I said, you can train all you want and have the best training in the world. It still doesn't make it a smart decision to try and engage a robber with a knife. My boxing point was: you pay for your mistakes. The penalty for your mistakes in boxing is a punch. In a knife fight, the penalty is severely amplified. And thats a risk you could totally avoid by NOT pushing the confrontation. So full circle: just because you're trained and think you can take on a knife wielding robber, doesn't mean you should.
- ErrantX 17y ago
  > In a knife fight, the penalty is severely amplified. Unlilkely. This is another point: doing serious damage with a knife is tough (and by serious I mean life threatening). Even if you screw up and take a hit it is unlikely to be serious (or lose you the fight). And if your going to take a more serious hit you shouldn't be trying it :) > just because you're trained and think you can take on a knife wielding robber, doesn't mean you should. It means you should judge the situation and you have the serious option.
  - mos1 17y ago
    The chances of "winning" the physical fight could be insanely high, but it'd still make more sense to first try cooperation, to see if you could avoid the knife fight entirely.
    - ErrantX 17y ago
      I guess my training revolved around the idea that the you should never surrender an advantage if you have it. So my bias disagree's here :) I suspect we are both right.
      - MrHyde 17y ago
        I've been reading your posts on this thread with fascination. Where exactly were you trained, if I might ask? The streets of Compton? No offense intended, it's just that "heavily injured by a baseball bat during training" doesn't sound like national military to me...

roc 17y ago

A good visual for that exercise is to skip the rubber knife; give your friend a marker. Pretend that's a knife and try to disarm him. When you're done, count up the marks and see how many times you'd have been cut and where. Even without taking into account the edge of the fictional knife, it's a pretty damning visual. (Also: with a standard rubber knife, too many of the hits during the exercise won't be noticed or remembered by either party.)