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The real problem is not America itself, the forces of Geo-Politics are just too damn BIG and beyond the control of the actors i.e. the Nations and the diplomati

by sremani 10y ago

The real problem is not America itself, the forces of Geo-Politics are just too damn BIG and beyond the control of the actors i.e. the Nations and the diplomatic core. Its absolutely Naive thinking that a President is going to wipe out and start new, Obama was right, no body starts with a Clean Slate. You are dealt a hand, you deal with it. Now, you can define and refine the approach, but the events themselves hardly controllable.

atmosx 10y ago
Syria and Ukraine was Obama's choice while Libya was Hilary's war. They left failed states everywhere and for what?! I understand that politicians are under huge pressure to do this or that, but the LEAST we can do is hold them accountable. Saying that hey they don't control this, sure and who does? Who takes the decision to invade a country ultimately if not the President of the US?
- tremon 10y ago
  Libya was a NATO mission with UN approval. The decision to leave a failed state was also a UN decision, although no country (including the US) voted for prolonged presence there, despite requests from the Libya interim government: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-libya-un-idUSTRE79P6EC20111027 http://www.reuters.com/article/us-libya-un-idUSTRE79P6EC2011... Ukraine was a mess even before Russia moved in. Even so, I think the situation in Ukraine is more Europe's problem than the US's, and as a European I do not blame Obama for ignoring it. Saying that hey they don't control this, sure and who does? Eventually, the UN carries that responsibility. The US lost a lot of goodwill in Europe over its "unilateral" decision to enter Iraq the second time around. Obama insisted on going through the UN, and I think that was a good decision. I get the impression that the US' prevailing opinion is that Obama made the US look weak. In Europe, the opinion is more that Obama exposed the UN for the toothless organization it is, and the US only looks stronger for it.
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by sremani 10y ago

atmosx 10y ago

Syria and Ukraine was Obama's choice while Libya was Hilary's war. They left failed states everywhere and for what?! I understand that politicians are under huge pressure to do this or that, but the LEAST we can do is hold them accountable. Saying that hey they don't control this, sure and who does? Who takes the decision to invade a country ultimately if not the President of the US?

tremon 10y ago
Libya was a NATO mission with UN approval. The decision to leave a failed state was also a UN decision, although no country (including the US) voted for prolonged presence there, despite requests from the Libya interim government: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-libya-un-idUSTRE79P6EC20111027 http://www.reuters.com/article/us-libya-un-idUSTRE79P6EC2011... Ukraine was a mess even before Russia moved in. Even so, I think the situation in Ukraine is more Europe's problem than the US's, and as a European I do not blame Obama for ignoring it. Saying that hey they don't control this, sure and who does? Eventually, the UN carries that responsibility. The US lost a lot of goodwill in Europe over its "unilateral" decision to enter Iraq the second time around. Obama insisted on going through the UN, and I think that was a good decision. I get the impression that the US' prevailing opinion is that Obama made the US look weak. In Europe, the opinion is more that Obama exposed the UN for the toothless organization it is, and the US only looks stronger for it.
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