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Panama Papers source issues statement

376 points by p0ppe 10y ago

nxzero 10y ago
>> "Source known only as John Doe says income inequality "one of the defining issues of our time" and calls on governments to address it." Calling on any government to create change, not it citizens, is a mistake - especially on a topic like this.
- luso_brazilian 10y ago
  That's a distinction without a difference considering that, in most democratic countries, the government is nothing but a segment of the overall population appointed as their legitimate representatives. It is the government responsibility, in their mandate as representatives, to address the problems perceived as important by the citizens (as, for instance, the problem mentioned in the quote). Now, if the government is unable or unwilling to use the power it was given "by the consent of the governed" to address such important issues then __that__ become "one of the defining issues of our time", not income inequality or any other problem derived from that.
  - ordinary 10y ago
    > It is the government responsibility, in their mandate as representatives, to address the problems perceived as important by the citizens But it is the citizens' responsibility to make clear to their representatives the problems they consider important. For a couple of examples of this principle in action, see the civil rights movement of the '60s, or the marriage equality movement of the noughts and teens. No politician would've dared approach those issues until the citizenry made its voice heard. As a rule, on issues that we as peoples consider important, we lead our politicians, they do not lead us. This is partly because of the incentives in play in modern democracies and partly because, as you say, they are merely our representatives, not our dear leaders.
sohcahtoa 10y ago
And yet... why no American names in the leaks? Funny that.
- mgraupner 10y ago
  I wish there would be a Panama Papers leak, why do only a limited amount of people are allowed to see these things, who's deciding what to publish? (I know, they always quote privacy as a reason but just as John Doe said: Those who use the vehicle of an offshore account has most often something to hide...)
  - r721 10y ago
    >The International Consortium of Investigative Journalists will release on May 9 a searchable database with information on more than 200,000 offshore entities that are part of the Panama Papers investigation. ... >When the data is released, users will be able to search through the data and visualize the networks around thousands of offshore entities, including, when available, Mossack Fonseca’s internal records of the company’s true owners. The interactive database will also include information about more than 100,000 additional companies that were part of the 2013 ICIJ Offshore Leaks investigation. >While the database opens up a world that has never been revealed on such a massive scale, the application will not be a “data dump” of the original documents – it will be a careful release of basic corporate information. >ICIJ won’t release personal data en masse; the database will not include records of bank accounts and financial transactions, emails and other correspondence, passports and telephone numbers. The selected and limited information is being published in the public interest. https://panamapapers.icij.org/20160426-database-coming-soon.html https://panamapapers.icij.org/20160426-database-coming-soon....
    - mgraupner 10y ago
      Thank you very much for this. I was under the false impression that these informations would be hidden forever and just be accessible for a few.
- lumberjack 10y ago
mgraupner 10y ago
But most of all, the legal profession has failed. Democratic governance depends upon responsible individuals throughout the entire system who understand and uphold the law, not who understand and exploit it. Sigh. One of the most puzzling questions I have to deal with in my mind. Why is there so little moral left in this world?
- _lce0 10y ago
  > Why is there so little moral left in this world? You can buy moral pretty much everywhere nowadays ;-)
  - samstave 10y ago
    However, it would appear that you cannot punish the lack of it anywhere....
- psadri 10y ago
  Why should there have been any morals in the first place? Does nature by default have morals?
  - r0muald 10y ago
    But there have been morals for a long time. So either humankind is part of nature, and then it's safe to conclude that nature has morals (no matter how little right now, it's certainly part of humankind), or we're out of nature and there's no advantage in pointing out that nature has no morals.
    - T-A 10y ago
      Or there have been claims of morals for a long time. As in, "what serves my interests is moral".
  - phn 10y ago
    The question is, do we want to be like the rest of the animals, survival of the fittest and all that jazz. Or do we want to hold ourselves to a higher standard? I don't condemn people who accept the first option as the absolute truth, but I'd like to believe we can make this blue marble a better place than that somehow.
jobu 10y ago
There's a lot to parse in that statement, but the call for whistleblower protections seems to be the single most important (and achievable) item. Most people are aware of Snowden and Manning, but it really surprises me that these haven't been reported more: "Bradley Birkenfeld was awarded millions for his information concerning Swiss bank UBS—and was still given a prison sentence by the Justice Department. Antoine Deltour is presently on trial for providing journalists with information about how Luxembourg granted secret “sweetheart” tax deals to multi-national corporations, effectively stealing billions in tax revenues from its neighbour countries." Law enforcement agencies don't have the resources or knowledge to go after much of the corruption and wrongdoing inside governments and large companies. If insiders with integrity don't have a safe way of stepping forward there will never be a way to keep wealthy/powerful/connected individuals from abusing the system.
- joering2 10y ago
  Upvoted. Important read [1] - Antoine trial started few days ago! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxembourg_Leaks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxembourg_Leaks
- chimeracoder 10y ago
  > There's a lot to parse in that statement, but the call for whistleblower protections seems to be the single most important (and achievable) item. Most people are aware of Snowden and Manning One big difference between Snowden and the Panama Papers (and, to a degree, Manning) is that virtually all of what Snowden revealed is illegal action on the part of the government[0], or information directly tied to that (allegedly-)illegal behavior. With the Panama Papers, some of the information leaked is indeed evidence of actual crimes, but most of it is actually not[1]. One can make the argument that some of the behavior should be, but that's a far less compelling case for whistleblower protection than the evidence of actual crimes taken place under the law as it exists today. While I do believe that Manning deserved whistleblower protection, her case was similarly harmed (both legally and in the public's perception) by the fact that the signal-to-noise ratio in the documents she provided was very low. It's a lot harder to convince the public that you were acting as a whistleblower if large parts of the data you're leaking isn't blowing the whistle on anything, even if some of it is. [0] The government disagrees with the claim that it is illegal, but that is the premise of the leak. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panama_Papers#Disclosures https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panama_Papers#Disclosures
jayjay1010 10y ago
Question for John Doe. Where's the missing American names and other retracted elements. Further given his naive calls for governments to do something to fix the problem seems naive to the extreme since they were the ones who created the 'problem' or backdoors in the first place
- fit2rule 10y ago
  How do you know there are missing American names? It was my understanding when this leak happened that Mossack Fonseca didn't have that many American clients, because Americans still have to pay tax if they try to hide their money in Panama. Admittedly, I have no clue what I'm talking about - but I'm quite curious how it is you know that Americans are being overtly excluded from this action?
jayjay1010 10y ago
Question for John Doe. Where's the missing American names and other retracted elements. Further given his naive calls for governments to do something to fix the problem seems naive to the extreme since they were the ones who created the 'problem' or backdoors in the first place
1024core 10y ago
The call for whistleblower protection is important, but it'll never happen. The powers-that-be don't want to encourage whistleblowers. What may change their mind is if all the data were made public. Since whistleblowers have not much protections, their only protection right now is to release everything on the 'net, anonymously. Now, clearly this is not a good idea, as in many cases there will be collateral damage. But what is the alternative? Once the governments see that such collateral damage is the only alternative, they will be force to enact meaningful whistleblower protection.
- r00fus 10y ago
  This is correct. There is Government, but then there are the secret powers-that-be that pull governments' strings. And they can't work effectively to further their own ends while in the light of public scrutiny.
  - alexandercrohde 10y ago
    I don't like this attitude. In fact, some whistleblower protection laws already exist (whistleblower protection act). I'm sure there are forces that act on politicians other than loyalty to their constituents, but there's no reason in the American democracy we couldn't (theoretically) get to a point where we elect representatives who understand the importance of whistleblower protection and care more about their constituents than other influences.
    - r00fus 10y ago
      While I respect and agree with your sentiment, ignoring reality doesn't make it go away, unfortunately. When you have parts of the government that are essentially without oversight and that illegally spy on their oversight committees [1]... what do you expect? [1] http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/31/cia-admits-spying-senate-staffers http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/31/cia-admits-spyi...
    - Broken_Hippo 10y ago
      "In fact, some whistleblower protection laws already exist.." This is true, on paper. But the other reality is that states have passed laws (or tried to) prohibiting the sort of investigative behavior that leads to whistleblowing, and a lot of companies have in-house rules against it. No cameras and cell phones in your work area, for starters. This sort of thing makes it easy to dismiss the paper laws. I imagine that if they are violated, one must sue to get it worked out. Yes, it is theoretically true we could get to a point where we elect folks that understand the importance of them, or at least have the wherewithal to listen to experts in the field. And care more about their constituents. Unfortunately, I think we are a long ways off, and those very people - the ones that care less about the constituents and have little grasp of the importance of such laws - have made high entry hurdles for the ones that would care.
voodootrucker 10y ago
"issues involving taxation and imbalances of power have led to revolutions in ages past." Given that all the checks and balances have failed, I don't see very few other options.
- manopeace 10y ago
  Electoral reform. Can't right the ship without being at the wheel.
raverbashing 10y ago
This statement is very interesting, it is very well written and researched, and it uses less common words. I wonder if there was some level of editing/embellishment done to it. Might as well be a non-native speaker. It also seems to me that the author might have had some personal reasons to target MF But to be honest, I don't think Income Inequality is one of the most defining issues of our time, through human history, inequality, not only monetary, but cultural and intellectual has usually been higher.
- kuschku 10y ago
  It’s known that the editors working on the panama leaks are mostly Germans, and that Mossack Fonseca mostly targeted German customers, too, (and had mostly German employees). So it might very well be a case of a German whistleblower, and a German editor.
curuinor 10y ago
This seems to be long enough for a statistical attack to narrow things down to ~100 people.
- dredmorbius 10y ago
  Rather. Possibly far fewer.
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homero 10y ago
Why can't I donate bitcoin
return0 10y ago
I think their upcoming release is more interesting: The International Consortium of Investigative Journalists will release on May 9 a searchable database with information on more than 200,000 offshore entities that are part of the Panama Papers investigation. The data [...] includes information about companies, trusts, foundations and funds incorporated in 21 tax havens, from Hong Kong to Nevada in the United States. It links to people in more than 200 countries and territories.
marmaduke 10y ago
I am impressed at how well it's written.
joesmo 10y ago
The revolution might be digitized, but if it does indeed happen, I'm afraid it will also be bloody as hell, as almost all revolutions are. I suppose some things never change.
yxlx 10y ago
The tone of the statement is very anonymous in nature. Cold and factual. I wonder if this is how its author normally express theirself or if they've written in this style in order to defeat authorship attribution.
tobltobs 10y ago
There will never be better protection for whistleblowers. That is just not in the interest of those who make the laws nowadays. What will come are new laws which will make the publishing of whistleblower material illegal. The EU for example is currently working on a law for better protection against theft of trade secrets. Which such a law in place no newspaper would risk anymore to publish something like the panama papers.
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trepiedle 10y ago
Income inequality is one of the defining issues of our time. Hmm...
glasz 10y ago
more and more this feels like a big smoke screen to keep sheep walking in circles. german publications are losing readers in droves. they desperately need to capitalize on a good story. there's absolutely no real news here. but suddenly "democracy’s checks and balances have all failed". come on.
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376 points by p0ppe 10y ago

>> "Source known only as John Doe says income inequality "one of the defining issues of our time" and calls on governments to address it." Calling on any government to create change, not it citizens, is a mistake - especially on a topic like this.

luso_brazilian 10y ago
That's a distinction without a difference considering that, in most democratic countries, the government is nothing but a segment of the overall population appointed as their legitimate representatives. It is the government responsibility, in their mandate as representatives, to address the problems perceived as important by the citizens (as, for instance, the problem mentioned in the quote). Now, if the government is unable or unwilling to use the power it was given "by the consent of the governed" to address such important issues then __that__ become "one of the defining issues of our time", not income inequality or any other problem derived from that.
- ordinary 10y ago
  > It is the government responsibility, in their mandate as representatives, to address the problems perceived as important by the citizens But it is the citizens' responsibility to make clear to their representatives the problems they consider important. For a couple of examples of this principle in action, see the civil rights movement of the '60s, or the marriage equality movement of the noughts and teens. No politician would've dared approach those issues until the citizenry made its voice heard. As a rule, on issues that we as peoples consider important, we lead our politicians, they do not lead us. This is partly because of the incentives in play in modern democracies and partly because, as you say, they are merely our representatives, not our dear leaders.

sohcahtoa 10y ago

And yet... why no American names in the leaks? Funny that.

mgraupner 10y ago
I wish there would be a Panama Papers leak, why do only a limited amount of people are allowed to see these things, who's deciding what to publish? (I know, they always quote privacy as a reason but just as John Doe said: Those who use the vehicle of an offshore account has most often something to hide...)
- r721 10y ago
  >The International Consortium of Investigative Journalists will release on May 9 a searchable database with information on more than 200,000 offshore entities that are part of the Panama Papers investigation. ... >When the data is released, users will be able to search through the data and visualize the networks around thousands of offshore entities, including, when available, Mossack Fonseca’s internal records of the company’s true owners. The interactive database will also include information about more than 100,000 additional companies that were part of the 2013 ICIJ Offshore Leaks investigation. >While the database opens up a world that has never been revealed on such a massive scale, the application will not be a “data dump” of the original documents – it will be a careful release of basic corporate information. >ICIJ won’t release personal data en masse; the database will not include records of bank accounts and financial transactions, emails and other correspondence, passports and telephone numbers. The selected and limited information is being published in the public interest. https://panamapapers.icij.org/20160426-database-coming-soon.html https://panamapapers.icij.org/20160426-database-coming-soon....
  - mgraupner 10y ago
    Thank you very much for this. I was under the false impression that these informations would be hidden forever and just be accessible for a few.
lumberjack 10y ago

mgraupner 10y ago

But most of all, the legal profession has failed. Democratic governance depends upon responsible individuals throughout the entire system who understand and uphold the law, not who understand and exploit it. Sigh. One of the most puzzling questions I have to deal with in my mind. Why is there so little moral left in this world?

_lce0 10y ago
> Why is there so little moral left in this world? You can buy moral pretty much everywhere nowadays ;-)
- samstave 10y ago
  However, it would appear that you cannot punish the lack of it anywhere....
psadri 10y ago
Why should there have been any morals in the first place? Does nature by default have morals?
- r0muald 10y ago
  But there have been morals for a long time. So either humankind is part of nature, and then it's safe to conclude that nature has morals (no matter how little right now, it's certainly part of humankind), or we're out of nature and there's no advantage in pointing out that nature has no morals.
  - T-A 10y ago
    Or there have been claims of morals for a long time. As in, "what serves my interests is moral".
- phn 10y ago
  The question is, do we want to be like the rest of the animals, survival of the fittest and all that jazz. Or do we want to hold ourselves to a higher standard? I don't condemn people who accept the first option as the absolute truth, but I'd like to believe we can make this blue marble a better place than that somehow.

jobu 10y ago

There's a lot to parse in that statement, but the call for whistleblower protections seems to be the single most important (and achievable) item. Most people are aware of Snowden and Manning, but it really surprises me that these haven't been reported more: "Bradley Birkenfeld was awarded millions for his information concerning Swiss bank UBS—and was still given a prison sentence by the Justice Department. Antoine Deltour is presently on trial for providing journalists with information about how Luxembourg granted secret “sweetheart” tax deals to multi-national corporations, effectively stealing billions in tax revenues from its neighbour countries." Law enforcement agencies don't have the resources or knowledge to go after much of the corruption and wrongdoing inside governments and large companies. If insiders with integrity don't have a safe way of stepping forward there will never be a way to keep wealthy/powerful/connected individuals from abusing the system.

joering2 10y ago
Upvoted. Important read [1] - Antoine trial started few days ago! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxembourg_Leaks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxembourg_Leaks
chimeracoder 10y ago
> There's a lot to parse in that statement, but the call for whistleblower protections seems to be the single most important (and achievable) item. Most people are aware of Snowden and Manning One big difference between Snowden and the Panama Papers (and, to a degree, Manning) is that virtually all of what Snowden revealed is illegal action on the part of the government[0], or information directly tied to that (allegedly-)illegal behavior. With the Panama Papers, some of the information leaked is indeed evidence of actual crimes, but most of it is actually not[1]. One can make the argument that some of the behavior should be, but that's a far less compelling case for whistleblower protection than the evidence of actual crimes taken place under the law as it exists today. While I do believe that Manning deserved whistleblower protection, her case was similarly harmed (both legally and in the public's perception) by the fact that the signal-to-noise ratio in the documents she provided was very low. It's a lot harder to convince the public that you were acting as a whistleblower if large parts of the data you're leaking isn't blowing the whistle on anything, even if some of it is. [0] The government disagrees with the claim that it is illegal, but that is the premise of the leak. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panama_Papers#Disclosures https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panama_Papers#Disclosures

jayjay1010 10y ago

Question for John Doe. Where's the missing American names and other retracted elements. Further given his naive calls for governments to do something to fix the problem seems naive to the extreme since they were the ones who created the 'problem' or backdoors in the first place

fit2rule 10y ago
How do you know there are missing American names? It was my understanding when this leak happened that Mossack Fonseca didn't have that many American clients, because Americans still have to pay tax if they try to hide their money in Panama. Admittedly, I have no clue what I'm talking about - but I'm quite curious how it is you know that Americans are being overtly excluded from this action?

jayjay1010 10y ago

1024core 10y ago

The call for whistleblower protection is important, but it'll never happen. The powers-that-be don't want to encourage whistleblowers. What may change their mind is if all the data were made public. Since whistleblowers have not much protections, their only protection right now is to release everything on the 'net, anonymously. Now, clearly this is not a good idea, as in many cases there will be collateral damage. But what is the alternative? Once the governments see that such collateral damage is the only alternative, they will be force to enact meaningful whistleblower protection.

r00fus 10y ago
This is correct. There is Government, but then there are the secret powers-that-be that pull governments' strings. And they can't work effectively to further their own ends while in the light of public scrutiny.
- alexandercrohde 10y ago
  I don't like this attitude. In fact, some whistleblower protection laws already exist (whistleblower protection act). I'm sure there are forces that act on politicians other than loyalty to their constituents, but there's no reason in the American democracy we couldn't (theoretically) get to a point where we elect representatives who understand the importance of whistleblower protection and care more about their constituents than other influences.
  - r00fus 10y ago
    While I respect and agree with your sentiment, ignoring reality doesn't make it go away, unfortunately. When you have parts of the government that are essentially without oversight and that illegally spy on their oversight committees [1]... what do you expect? [1] http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/31/cia-admits-spying-senate-staffers http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/31/cia-admits-spyi...
  - Broken_Hippo 10y ago
    "In fact, some whistleblower protection laws already exist.." This is true, on paper. But the other reality is that states have passed laws (or tried to) prohibiting the sort of investigative behavior that leads to whistleblowing, and a lot of companies have in-house rules against it. No cameras and cell phones in your work area, for starters. This sort of thing makes it easy to dismiss the paper laws. I imagine that if they are violated, one must sue to get it worked out. Yes, it is theoretically true we could get to a point where we elect folks that understand the importance of them, or at least have the wherewithal to listen to experts in the field. And care more about their constituents. Unfortunately, I think we are a long ways off, and those very people - the ones that care less about the constituents and have little grasp of the importance of such laws - have made high entry hurdles for the ones that would care.

voodootrucker 10y ago

"issues involving taxation and imbalances of power have led to revolutions in ages past." Given that all the checks and balances have failed, I don't see very few other options.

manopeace 10y ago
Electoral reform. Can't right the ship without being at the wheel.

raverbashing 10y ago

This statement is very interesting, it is very well written and researched, and it uses less common words. I wonder if there was some level of editing/embellishment done to it. Might as well be a non-native speaker. It also seems to me that the author might have had some personal reasons to target MF But to be honest, I don't think Income Inequality is one of the most defining issues of our time, through human history, inequality, not only monetary, but cultural and intellectual has usually been higher.

kuschku 10y ago
It’s known that the editors working on the panama leaks are mostly Germans, and that Mossack Fonseca mostly targeted German customers, too, (and had mostly German employees). So it might very well be a case of a German whistleblower, and a German editor.

curuinor 10y ago

This seems to be long enough for a statistical attack to narrow things down to ~100 people.

dredmorbius 10y ago
Rather. Possibly far fewer.

deleted 10y ago

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homero 10y ago

Why can't I donate bitcoin

return0 10y ago

I think their upcoming release is more interesting: The International Consortium of Investigative Journalists will release on May 9 a searchable database with information on more than 200,000 offshore entities that are part of the Panama Papers investigation. The data [...] includes information about companies, trusts, foundations and funds incorporated in 21 tax havens, from Hong Kong to Nevada in the United States. It links to people in more than 200 countries and territories.

marmaduke 10y ago

I am impressed at how well it's written.

joesmo 10y ago

The revolution might be digitized, but if it does indeed happen, I'm afraid it will also be bloody as hell, as almost all revolutions are. I suppose some things never change.

yxlx 10y ago

The tone of the statement is very anonymous in nature. Cold and factual. I wonder if this is how its author normally express theirself or if they've written in this style in order to defeat authorship attribution.

tobltobs 10y ago

There will never be better protection for whistleblowers. That is just not in the interest of those who make the laws nowadays. What will come are new laws which will make the publishing of whistleblower material illegal. The EU for example is currently working on a law for better protection against theft of trade secrets. Which such a law in place no newspaper would risk anymore to publish something like the panama papers.

deleted 10y ago

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trepiedle 10y ago

Income inequality is one of the defining issues of our time. Hmm...

glasz 10y ago

more and more this feels like a big smoke screen to keep sheep walking in circles. german publications are losing readers in droves. they desperately need to capitalize on a good story. there's absolutely no real news here. but suddenly "democracy’s checks and balances have all failed". come on.

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