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It's always Python+X somehow, where X is a whole different thing you have to learn to get a fraction of the whole thing shipped in Python. Keep I.T. simple - te

It's always Python+X somehow, where X is a whole different thing you have to learn to get a fraction of the whole thing shipped in Python. Keep I.T. simple - teach the kids BASIC.

digi_owl 10y ago
The basic issue is that Python do not have a UI lib of its own, so if you want to do anything beyond a CLI you need to introduce a third party.
- snuxoll 10y ago
  Isn't TK usually part of the standard library? Of course, then you have to build your UI in code, which can be a lot for a beginner - which I why I stated QML or GTK Composite Templates, both allow you to design your UI in the relevant tool (QtCreator, Glade) and then just wire it up. Speaking from experience, the trial and error of creating UI's in code instead of through a markup language with an editor that can preview it is a pain.
- GregBuchholz 10y ago
  https://docs.python.org/2/library/turtle.html https://docs.python.org/2/library/turtle.html Python 2.7.9 (default, Dec 10 2014, 12:24:55) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)] on win 32 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> import turtle >>> turtle.forward(100)
  - duaneb 10y ago
    Bingo. Teaching kids programming is exactly what turtle is meant for.
    - mhurron 10y ago
      Now that's bringing back some memories.
- copperx 10y ago
  Well, Java does have a UI lib of its own and it doesn't make shipping an executable simpler.
  - digi_owl 10y ago
    This is not about shipping executables. Its about kids being able to sit down and bang out a program, complete with a UI.
    - dragonbonheur 10y ago
      Most kids want to make games and have their friends and the world play them. Desktop software isn't dead either. Real artists ship.
snuxoll 10y ago
I don't really think GTK is that difficult to get a grasp on with composite templates. It's a little less "magic" than VB6 since I'm not just dumping code into a partial form class where the rest of the accessors to the COM controls are generated for me, but it's pretty straightforward in Vala right now (I use glade to design a UI, much like the classic WinForms designer - annotate a class with a GtkTemplate attribute and then put GtkChild attributes on class members to have the widgets automatically assigned there). In Python it'd look like @GtkTemplate("my_window.ui") class MyWindow: @GtkChild my_textbox @GtkCallback def button_clicked(self, btn): my_textbox.text = "Hello, World!"
- dragonbonheur 10y ago
  GTK in FreeBASIC is simple as well - just translate the C function calls into BASIC. FreeBASIC is really C++ without the curly braces so it's really a good covert way to gradually turn userland programmers into system programmers

It's always Python+X somehow, where X is a whole different thing you have to learn to get a fraction of the whole thing shipped in Python. Keep I.T. simple - teach the kids BASIC.

digi_owl 10y ago

The basic issue is that Python do not have a UI lib of its own, so if you want to do anything beyond a CLI you need to introduce a third party.

snuxoll 10y ago
Isn't TK usually part of the standard library? Of course, then you have to build your UI in code, which can be a lot for a beginner - which I why I stated QML or GTK Composite Templates, both allow you to design your UI in the relevant tool (QtCreator, Glade) and then just wire it up. Speaking from experience, the trial and error of creating UI's in code instead of through a markup language with an editor that can preview it is a pain.
GregBuchholz 10y ago
https://docs.python.org/2/library/turtle.html https://docs.python.org/2/library/turtle.html Python 2.7.9 (default, Dec 10 2014, 12:24:55) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)] on win 32 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> import turtle >>> turtle.forward(100)
- duaneb 10y ago
  Bingo. Teaching kids programming is exactly what turtle is meant for.
  - mhurron 10y ago
    Now that's bringing back some memories.
copperx 10y ago
Well, Java does have a UI lib of its own and it doesn't make shipping an executable simpler.
- digi_owl 10y ago
  This is not about shipping executables. Its about kids being able to sit down and bang out a program, complete with a UI.
  - dragonbonheur 10y ago
    Most kids want to make games and have their friends and the world play them. Desktop software isn't dead either. Real artists ship.

snuxoll 10y ago

I don't really think GTK is that difficult to get a grasp on with composite templates. It's a little less "magic" than VB6 since I'm not just dumping code into a partial form class where the rest of the accessors to the COM controls are generated for me, but it's pretty straightforward in Vala right now (I use glade to design a UI, much like the classic WinForms designer - annotate a class with a GtkTemplate attribute and then put GtkChild attributes on class members to have the widgets automatically assigned there). In Python it'd look like @GtkTemplate("my_window.ui") class MyWindow: @GtkChild my_textbox @GtkCallback def button_clicked(self, btn): my_textbox.text = "Hello, World!"

dragonbonheur 10y ago
GTK in FreeBASIC is simple as well - just translate the C function calls into BASIC. FreeBASIC is really C++ without the curly braces so it's really a good covert way to gradually turn userland programmers into system programmers