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I was at a theme park last month with my toddler, sitting on a bench in no-smoking area and this lady came over and started smoking an e-cig right next to us. W

• jacobolus 10y ago
  Worrying about e-cigarettes outdoors seems like an overreaction, compared to thousands of other more serious environmental toxins we all face every day. (Frankly worrying about regular cigarettes outdoors also is an overreaction, but smokers have been very effectively demonized in our culture.) I guess turning the issue into a black-and-white binary is easier than reasoning about dosage.
  • ubercore 10y ago
    I feel like the concern there would directly be secondhand nicotine in the vapor, which is particularly neurotoxic to developing brains [1]. Feels like a pretty reasonable concern to me, with a child around? [1] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2746456/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2746456/
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    • dmix 10y ago
      Except the amount of nicotine indoors is far less than cigarettes. I'd imagine outside is almost nil. > The emissions discharge water, volatile organic compounds (VOCs) and nicotine into indoor air at levels far lower than found with tobacco cigarettes (Schripp et al., 2013). http://www.treatobacco.net/en/page_528.php http://www.treatobacco.net/en/page_528.php In addition, e-cigarettes dont always have nicotine and often have lower amounts than cigarettes. Further making the fear of momentarily sitting near someone smoking an e-cigarette outside almost irrational in terms of health risks. In terms of not wanting vapor being blown in your face, then I agree there is a social etiquette that should be respected.
      • ubercore 10y ago
        More than not wanting the vapor, it's respecting that others may have that concern in a public space, as irrational as it may seem to you. I think common sense would extend e-cigs to a "no smoking" area.
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      • developer2 10y ago
        The very fact that there are flavoured vapors that smell up an entire room with their disgustingly sweet scents is enough to ban them indoors. I don't want your strawberry cloud in my face. Imagine 20+ people in a closed space all dispersing their various scented vapors. No thanks. It would not be considered acceptable for someone to burn incense in most indoors locations; this is no different in that regard, and may be worse.
        • Tiksi 10y ago
          Should we ban spray on deodorant and perfume too? I find axe particularly offensive and a few perfumes too.
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  • MBCook 10y ago
    Dosage of what? The contents of e-cigs has been unregulated until now. And what if the device isn't safe in some way? What if it's likely to explode? Or the way it vaporizes things can tend to produce some sort of unexpectedly toxic chemical, perhaps only with certain vaping fluid? These kind of concerns are why people want them regulated.
    • mistermann 10y ago
      There is not even any theoretical reason to think any of this.
      • MBCook 10y ago
        > And what if the device isn't safe in some way? What if it's likely to explode? "What's Causing Some E-Cigarette Batteries to Explode?", NBC News, 2 months ago http://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/what-s-causing-some-e-cigarette-batteries-explode-n533516 http://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/what-s-causing-some... > Or the way it vaporizes things can tend to produce some sort of unexpectedly toxic chemical perhaps only with certain vaping fluid? The contents of the fluid was unregulated, so how can you say that's not even a theoretical concern? A quick Google search shows a TON of recipes which could easily cause problems. How can you be sure that some fluid works fine with most e-cigs but when used by one that runs a bit hotter it doesn't cause a fire or have some chemical reaction between components that generates some dangerous gas? What if the fluid somehow reacts with the plastic or metal inside your specific e-cig? > Dosage of what? The contents of e-cigs has been unregulated until now. And it's not like anyone has ever seen cases of normally safe products made in an unsafe way put on the market. http://time.com/107922/china-pet-food-contamination-recall-video/ http://time.com/107922/china-pet-food-contamination-recall-v... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/8944028/One-third-of-Chinese-toys-contain-heavy-metals.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/8944028... http://www.aboutlawsuits.com/lumber-liquidators-halts-chinese-flooring-sales-81761/ http://www.aboutlawsuits.com/lumber-liquidators-halts-chines... http://ecowatch.com/2014/03/18/toxic-hair-straighteners-international-recall-sold-u-s/ http://ecowatch.com/2014/03/18/toxic-hair-straighteners-inte...
  • Phlarp 10y ago
    Common sense is utterly useless against parents.
• baddox 10y ago
  > If the vapers think they are safe enough to be used in close proximity to toddlers, then the e-cig companies have done a fantastic job of marketing. Or you just happened to run into an uneducated/unintillegent/dishonest person smoking an e-cig.
• Zigurd 10y ago
  That article has contains no theory, never mind evidence, that vaping near a baby could be harmful.