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First search for narcissist checklist got me https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-legacy-distorted-love/201412/is-your-partner-narcissist-here-are-50-ways-

First search for narcissist checklist got me https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-legacy-distorted-love/201412/is-your-partner-narcissist-here-are-50-ways-tell https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-legacy-distorted-lo... If you toss out the ones about romantic relationships, Craig hits on most of them.

nacs 10y ago
I'm in the Wright is a liar/con-artist camp but the items on that list apply to most "normal" people (including myself).
- k-mcgrady 10y ago
  I would hope they don't apply to most 'normal' people...
- dpark 10y ago
  If the items on that list apply to you, then you are not "normal". At the very least, you're certainly in an unhealthy relationship.
- tyingq 10y ago
  There appears to be significant overlap with the narcissist checklist and a "revered tech leader checklist" (Jobs, Musk, Page, Zuckerberg, etc).
  - goodcanadian 10y ago
    It would not surprise me at all if a significant percentage of that list qualified as narcissist.
  - vertex-four 10y ago
    So narcissists (as in people with NPD), if you've never had the unfortunate "opportunity" of being around one, are often incredibly good at convincing people to follow them. Take from that what you will.
    - Aelinsaar 10y ago
      People are attracted to self confidence, because most of the time people who are openly confident (down to the minutiae of body language) are in a position to be confident. The ability to simply be insensitive to the normal stresses and worries that would inspire rational doubt can put you in a position to lead. Of course, you'll be leading with coin flips, and most people will fail. We just pay special attention to statistical flukes who make a lot of money before they flip out.
  - Aelinsaar 10y ago
    Steve Jobs in his relationships with friends and family, and his own self-destructive (ultimately fatally destructive) streak screams full blown sociopath and always has. Then again, he might just have been a really shitty person without a personality disorder to explain it.
    - Mtinie 10y ago
      Am I understanding correctly that you are blaming an undiagnosed sociopathy for Jobs' death by pancreatic cancer induced respratory arrest?
      - jack9 10y ago
        > undiagnosed sociopathy for Jobs' death Even Jobs realized his self-delusions had cost him some time, at the end. http://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2011/10/24/steve-jobs-cancer-treatment-regrets/#211ed1ab3594 http://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2011/10/24/steve-jo...
      - striking 10y ago
        He decided not to undergo actual clinical treatment for his cancer until it was too late, instead relying on new-age stuff to heal himself for the longest time. I wouldn't go so far as to call this behavior "full blown sociopath" but it definitely shortened his life. I don't know what the stats are for refusing cancer treatment, but I think they're fairly low.
        Aelinsaar 10y ago
        They're lower, the higher the education and socioeconomic class of the patient, IIRC.
      - deleted 10y ago
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    - developer2 10y ago
      There's a possible simpler explanation: his work was always priority #1 for him, and he completely buried his head in it, to the detriment of everything else. Of course, now I'm also speculating some bullshit about someone I've never met. It's always interesting to watch people try to label others without having known them. And no, "had lunch with him once" or "heard him speak at a conference" does not mean you know a single thing about someone, their mental state, or their life. A huge portion of the population is not made up of happy-go-lucky, oblivious-to-the-world individuals, and someone comparing themselves to public figures in some vain attempt to show just how nice and normal their own life is... sigh. There are what, probably over a billion people, that random strangers would label with all kinds of mental illness. If it's that common, most of those cases are not mental illness, - it's just a personality type. Another person having a different personality than your own does not mean something is abnormal about them.
- crispyambulance 10y ago
  Any psychologist will tell you that most people can't objectively evaluate such criteria for themselves. This is something that is best left to professionals who have experience with people that DEFINITELY have such disorders. I'm also in the non-believer camp, nor can I fathom why "Satoshi" would initially choose to remain anonymous but then decide to come out. What purpose does that serve? Whatever the case, all of this drama is really, really bad news for bitcoin as a currency in the future.
  - arcticfox 10y ago
    Why bad news? Is basically irrelevant, now that he has turned out to not be Satoshi. The only way it would be relevant is if one of those early coins does indeed move, because that would drastically affect the number of coins on the market.
    - bduerst 10y ago
      While some will disagree, appearances are important. Wright was [probably] trying to claim to be Satoshi to use Satoshi's bitcoins as collateral for something else. Bitcoin already has a reputation for being used in scams and illegal dealings. This con man being able to convince some major news organizations and bitcoin celebrities doesn't help improve that image.
      - HappyTypist 10y ago
        That demonstrates a flaw of non-technological news organisations, not Bitcoin. The two Bitcoin celebrities had been widely discredited from Bitcoin ages ago. Gavin has not committed in a year, started his own fork of Bitcoin with 3% adoption. Jon has disappeared after starting a bankrupt for-profit "foundation".
        DonHopkins 10y ago
        I haven't been following the parade of Bitcoin celebrities very closely, but what ever happened with the Digital Entertainment Network Executive VP [1] guy, Brock Pierce? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Entertainment_Network https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Entertainment_Network
- tamana 10y ago
  It's not so much the presence of those signs -- we are all at least a little selfish, it's the intensity of them.
- dzmien 10y ago
  I must say I disagree. I found most of those descriptions to be indicative of a pathological personality, and certainly not 'normal.'
- johndifool 10y ago
  For the fact you mentioned you are included, it seems to imply that you are not to the extent for it to be meaningfully wrong.
- kazinator 10y ago
  Whether a person is honest or whether a liar, they generally trip over themselves to cough up the proof that they say they have, if they actually have it. "Too many people didn't believe me, so now I will NEVER show the proof, so there!" --- that's completely transparent bullshit coming form a grown man. If it was a nine-year-old girl, I might continue to believe, due to accepting the drama as emotionally genuine.
rdiddly 10y ago
You beat me to it! I was about to post this one from the same site: https://www.psychologytoday.com/conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder https://www.psychologytoday.com/conditions/narcissistic-pers... (click on "Symptoms")
Aelinsaar 10y ago
Could be, but this level of public self-destruction might be sociopathic/anti-social.
darren2000 10y ago
You want the Hare PCL-R for psychopathy/sociopathy: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Psychopathy_Checklist&oldid=657640926#Items https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Psychopathy_Check... Interesting that it has now been deleted from wikipedia... This is also good: http://www.wikihow.com/Spot-a-Sociopath http://www.wikihow.com/Spot-a-Sociopath
- huac 10y ago
  it was removed for copyright purposes
  - duncan_bayne 10y ago
    Who would request that?!? Oh, right.
    - DonHopkins 10y ago
      Alex St. John bought up the rights to it, for his next video game.
hkjgkjy 10y ago
This comment is the toughest diss HN has ever seen

nacs 10y ago

I'm in the Wright is a liar/con-artist camp but the items on that list apply to most "normal" people (including myself).

k-mcgrady 10y ago
I would hope they don't apply to most 'normal' people...
dpark 10y ago
If the items on that list apply to you, then you are not "normal". At the very least, you're certainly in an unhealthy relationship.
tyingq 10y ago
There appears to be significant overlap with the narcissist checklist and a "revered tech leader checklist" (Jobs, Musk, Page, Zuckerberg, etc).
- goodcanadian 10y ago
  It would not surprise me at all if a significant percentage of that list qualified as narcissist.
- vertex-four 10y ago
  So narcissists (as in people with NPD), if you've never had the unfortunate "opportunity" of being around one, are often incredibly good at convincing people to follow them. Take from that what you will.
  - Aelinsaar 10y ago
    People are attracted to self confidence, because most of the time people who are openly confident (down to the minutiae of body language) are in a position to be confident. The ability to simply be insensitive to the normal stresses and worries that would inspire rational doubt can put you in a position to lead. Of course, you'll be leading with coin flips, and most people will fail. We just pay special attention to statistical flukes who make a lot of money before they flip out.
- Aelinsaar 10y ago
  Steve Jobs in his relationships with friends and family, and his own self-destructive (ultimately fatally destructive) streak screams full blown sociopath and always has. Then again, he might just have been a really shitty person without a personality disorder to explain it.
  - Mtinie 10y ago
    Am I understanding correctly that you are blaming an undiagnosed sociopathy for Jobs' death by pancreatic cancer induced respratory arrest?
    - jack9 10y ago
      > undiagnosed sociopathy for Jobs' death Even Jobs realized his self-delusions had cost him some time, at the end. http://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2011/10/24/steve-jobs-cancer-treatment-regrets/#211ed1ab3594 http://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2011/10/24/steve-jo...
    - striking 10y ago
      He decided not to undergo actual clinical treatment for his cancer until it was too late, instead relying on new-age stuff to heal himself for the longest time. I wouldn't go so far as to call this behavior "full blown sociopath" but it definitely shortened his life. I don't know what the stats are for refusing cancer treatment, but I think they're fairly low.
      - Aelinsaar 10y ago
        They're lower, the higher the education and socioeconomic class of the patient, IIRC.
    - deleted 10y ago
      [deleted]
  - developer2 10y ago
    There's a possible simpler explanation: his work was always priority #1 for him, and he completely buried his head in it, to the detriment of everything else. Of course, now I'm also speculating some bullshit about someone I've never met. It's always interesting to watch people try to label others without having known them. And no, "had lunch with him once" or "heard him speak at a conference" does not mean you know a single thing about someone, their mental state, or their life. A huge portion of the population is not made up of happy-go-lucky, oblivious-to-the-world individuals, and someone comparing themselves to public figures in some vain attempt to show just how nice and normal their own life is... sigh. There are what, probably over a billion people, that random strangers would label with all kinds of mental illness. If it's that common, most of those cases are not mental illness, - it's just a personality type. Another person having a different personality than your own does not mean something is abnormal about them.
crispyambulance 10y ago
Any psychologist will tell you that most people can't objectively evaluate such criteria for themselves. This is something that is best left to professionals who have experience with people that DEFINITELY have such disorders. I'm also in the non-believer camp, nor can I fathom why "Satoshi" would initially choose to remain anonymous but then decide to come out. What purpose does that serve? Whatever the case, all of this drama is really, really bad news for bitcoin as a currency in the future.
- arcticfox 10y ago
  Why bad news? Is basically irrelevant, now that he has turned out to not be Satoshi. The only way it would be relevant is if one of those early coins does indeed move, because that would drastically affect the number of coins on the market.
  - bduerst 10y ago
    While some will disagree, appearances are important. Wright was [probably] trying to claim to be Satoshi to use Satoshi's bitcoins as collateral for something else. Bitcoin already has a reputation for being used in scams and illegal dealings. This con man being able to convince some major news organizations and bitcoin celebrities doesn't help improve that image.
    - HappyTypist 10y ago
      That demonstrates a flaw of non-technological news organisations, not Bitcoin. The two Bitcoin celebrities had been widely discredited from Bitcoin ages ago. Gavin has not committed in a year, started his own fork of Bitcoin with 3% adoption. Jon has disappeared after starting a bankrupt for-profit "foundation".
      - DonHopkins 10y ago
        I haven't been following the parade of Bitcoin celebrities very closely, but what ever happened with the Digital Entertainment Network Executive VP [1] guy, Brock Pierce? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Entertainment_Network https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Entertainment_Network
tamana 10y ago
It's not so much the presence of those signs -- we are all at least a little selfish, it's the intensity of them.
dzmien 10y ago
I must say I disagree. I found most of those descriptions to be indicative of a pathological personality, and certainly not 'normal.'
johndifool 10y ago
For the fact you mentioned you are included, it seems to imply that you are not to the extent for it to be meaningfully wrong.
kazinator 10y ago
Whether a person is honest or whether a liar, they generally trip over themselves to cough up the proof that they say they have, if they actually have it. "Too many people didn't believe me, so now I will NEVER show the proof, so there!" --- that's completely transparent bullshit coming form a grown man. If it was a nine-year-old girl, I might continue to believe, due to accepting the drama as emotionally genuine.

rdiddly 10y ago

You beat me to it! I was about to post this one from the same site: https://www.psychologytoday.com/conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder https://www.psychologytoday.com/conditions/narcissistic-pers... (click on "Symptoms")

Aelinsaar 10y ago

Could be, but this level of public self-destruction might be sociopathic/anti-social.

darren2000 10y ago

You want the Hare PCL-R for psychopathy/sociopathy: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Psychopathy_Checklist&oldid=657640926#Items https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Psychopathy_Check... Interesting that it has now been deleted from wikipedia... This is also good: http://www.wikihow.com/Spot-a-Sociopath http://www.wikihow.com/Spot-a-Sociopath

huac 10y ago
it was removed for copyright purposes
- duncan_bayne 10y ago
  Who would request that?!? Oh, right.
  - DonHopkins 10y ago
    Alex St. John bought up the rights to it, for his next video game.

hkjgkjy 10y ago

This comment is the toughest diss HN has ever seen