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Not to offend anyone, but considering something/someone "truly, irredeemably evil" is very American attitude. For example, compare contemporary movies from Holl

by kbart 10y ago

Not to offend anyone, but considering something/someone "truly, irredeemably evil" is very American attitude. For example, compare contemporary movies from Hollywood vs European.

amelius 10y ago
I always hated fairy tales, even as a child, probably for this very reason. Perhaps I should subscribe to the Slavonic storytelling. Is there a good story-bundle that can be recommended both for adults and children?
- kbart 10y ago
  I have many physical books of various Eastern European and Slavic tales in my childhood home, but nothing in English or in electronic form.. Anyway, Slavic and Eastern European fairy tales are not very different from other European nations' tales and have much in common (South Europe might be a little different, but I'm not an expert to comment much) to the extend that sometimes only character names differ (or animal type). You might try Grimm's Fairy Tales[1] if haven't read yet, but aim for original/older edition[2] as originally it was quite violent but softened increasingly over time. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grimms'_Fairy_Tales https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grimms'_Fairy_Tales 2. https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~spok/grimmtmp/ https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~spok/grimmtmp/
- Gargol 10y ago
  I grew up in Ukraine and some of the best books you could get with Slavic stories is this publisher (ababahalamaha in Ukrainian its "А-БА-БА-ГА-ЛА-МА-ГА") - http://ababahalamaha.com.ua/en/Main_Page http://ababahalamaha.com.ua/en/Main_Page . Apart from amazing stories, each book is a piece of great artwork.
  - phillc73 10y ago
    My boy has a few of these and the artwork really is amazing.
Ygg2 10y ago
I don't think that's necessarily American. Thing is God in Abrahamic (Judaism, Christanity and Islam) religions is unquestionable force of goodness.
- dovdov 10y ago
  more like rightness
  - jdimov9 10y ago
    Definitely rightness, not goodness. A "good God" would never punish. Only one with an ulterior agenda (and therefore not a true creator) would resort to punishment.
- cmrdporcupine 10y ago
  Yes it's a big distinguishing mark between 'pagan' belief systems and Christian/Islamic systems, a belief in the moral rightness/perfection/correctness of God. Roman pagans, Greek 'mythology', Germanic and Celtic religion, all had gods who were more like exaggerated people (with all their faults and flaws and terrible behaviours) than what Christians and post-Christians think of as a god.
oldmanjay 10y ago
Not to offend you in turn, but you can't impress people with your provincial pigeonholing when it's clearly borne of ignorance. This is about as compelling and defensible a statement as those made by all the people who think Scandanavia constitutes "the rest of the world"

by kbart 10y ago

Not to offend anyone, but considering something/someone "truly, irredeemably evil" is very American attitude. For example, compare contemporary movies from Hollywood vs European.

amelius 10y ago

I always hated fairy tales, even as a child, probably for this very reason. Perhaps I should subscribe to the Slavonic storytelling. Is there a good story-bundle that can be recommended both for adults and children?

kbart 10y ago
I have many physical books of various Eastern European and Slavic tales in my childhood home, but nothing in English or in electronic form.. Anyway, Slavic and Eastern European fairy tales are not very different from other European nations' tales and have much in common (South Europe might be a little different, but I'm not an expert to comment much) to the extend that sometimes only character names differ (or animal type). You might try Grimm's Fairy Tales[1] if haven't read yet, but aim for original/older edition[2] as originally it was quite violent but softened increasingly over time. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grimms'_Fairy_Tales https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grimms'_Fairy_Tales 2. https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~spok/grimmtmp/ https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~spok/grimmtmp/
Gargol 10y ago
I grew up in Ukraine and some of the best books you could get with Slavic stories is this publisher (ababahalamaha in Ukrainian its "А-БА-БА-ГА-ЛА-МА-ГА") - http://ababahalamaha.com.ua/en/Main_Page http://ababahalamaha.com.ua/en/Main_Page . Apart from amazing stories, each book is a piece of great artwork.
- phillc73 10y ago
  My boy has a few of these and the artwork really is amazing.

Ygg2 10y ago

I don't think that's necessarily American. Thing is God in Abrahamic (Judaism, Christanity and Islam) religions is unquestionable force of goodness.

dovdov 10y ago
more like rightness
- jdimov9 10y ago
  Definitely rightness, not goodness. A "good God" would never punish. Only one with an ulterior agenda (and therefore not a true creator) would resort to punishment.
cmrdporcupine 10y ago
Yes it's a big distinguishing mark between 'pagan' belief systems and Christian/Islamic systems, a belief in the moral rightness/perfection/correctness of God. Roman pagans, Greek 'mythology', Germanic and Celtic religion, all had gods who were more like exaggerated people (with all their faults and flaws and terrible behaviours) than what Christians and post-Christians think of as a god.

oldmanjay 10y ago

Not to offend you in turn, but you can't impress people with your provincial pigeonholing when it's clearly borne of ignorance. This is about as compelling and defensible a statement as those made by all the people who think Scandanavia constitutes "the rest of the world"