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Oh no. It pops up a quick menu when I select text, like Medium. The problem is that I'm constantly selecting the lines I'm reading. :( Edit: Also, it's extreme
by sz4kerto 10y ago
Oh no. It pops up a quick menu when I select text, like Medium. The problem is that I'm constantly selecting the lines I'm reading. :(
Edit:
Also, it's extremely narrow. On my 32" 4K display, 70% of the screen is empty. And the font is too think. And stuff keeps moving/jumping when I'm moving the mouse cursor.
I want 1998 back.
- cm3 10y agoIf it were 100% wide on 4K, how would your eyes scan the text? It's useful for illustrations (graphics), but I haven't met a person yet who can read wide text as efficiently as one or more narrow columns.
- keypress 10y agoIf it weren't for tabs, a window resize could help there.
- sz4kerto 10y agoThere are other stuff you can store on the left/right sides, especially when it's a documentation site. Typically a nice hierarchical ToC.
- jimjimjim 10y agoI've given up completely on landscape for monitors. I've rotated my two monitors to portrait. It works for websites, but it's also ideal for programming (no more looking through a letter box at the code), reading documentation and pdf pages.
- wastedhours 10y agoI've gone for main in landscape and portrait one on the left - the only issue with portrait can be the height, I find myself having my browser starting half way down, with the top section reserved for things like a console window that aren't being looked at constantly (would be great to be able to fullscreen video on just that bit too).
- sleepychu 10y agoI wish this worked for games, I'd totally be a portrait user.
- daemin 10y agoJust run the games in windowed mode and you can generally change the size to however big you want.
- sleepychu 10y agosure but the UI is generally written to be a horizontal layout.
- antisthenes 10y agoA triple monitor setup with 2 side monitors in portrait mode seems to be optimal these days. That way your primary monitor can still be used to watch media and play games in the "standard" widescreen format, but your code and browser can readily be viewed on the sides.
- jsmthrowaway 10y agoFor ergonomic reasons your work should be in front of you. If you're staring at a side monitor long term that'll wreak havoc on your neck.
- cm3 10y agoWhat type of panels and implementations (monitors sold) work well in portrait mode? I've tried it once and I saw an odd pattern that wasn't very comfortable to look at.
- ygra 10y agoTN panels are usually horrible, as they have (in landscape mode) a very limited viewing angle up or down before colours start to shift or parts of the screen appear way darker than others. IPS panels should work without a problem in both landscape and portrait mode.
- cm3 10y agoI use IPS and VA panels, but I wouldn't be able to tell what panels it was when I had the bad experience. I'll try it again, but not every IPS or VA panel is good either.
- chiph 10y agoI resize the window down to where it's more comfortable to read.
- lmm 10y agoI've seen this claim repeatedly but it doesn't match my personal experience. I've taken to using a user stylesheet that disables max-width on all elements. It makes my subjective web experience a lot nicer.
- pandler 10y ago> The problem is that I'm constantly selecting the lines I'm reading I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one! I compulsively select random blocks of text: select up, select down, repeat. I definitely get annoyed with the popup-menu-on-select feature of Medium, but I feel I can hardly blame Medium for my random, compulsive habit.
- simula67 10y agoI sometimes select the current line that I am reading. This helps me to quickly figure out the start of the next line when I am finished reading the current one.
- PakG1 10y agoI used to do this. Switching to using a MacBook full-time fixed that habit for me. Even when I connect to a big monitor, I use a trackpad, not a mouse. Harder to compulsively highlight with that thing.
- glaberficken 10y agoI share this "pain". I have the unshakable habit of triple-clicking a paragraph to highlight it to serve as a mark of where I was at when i need to interrupt reading.
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- insertnickname 10y agoUse NoScript or equivalent to block scripts from the domain fyre.co. This prevents that annoying menu from popping up.
- userbinator 10y ago> Livefyre: The Leading Content Marketing and Engagement Platform Looks like something to block regardless of whether it creates annoying menus. Is anyone else a little surprised (and perhaps repulsed) by Microsoft putting semi-shady 3rd-party scripts like this on their site? This seems completely opposite of what the Microsoft I knew would do.
- niij 10y agoAs of yesterday they have been acquired by Adobe.
- sp332 10y agoI've seen them used to power comments on some sites, which is why I left them enabled after I installed Ghostery. I might reconsider if I see them putting junk into other websites though.
- tyingq 10y agoLooks like you can block just //cdn.livefyre.com/libs/sidenotes/v1.3.3/sidenotes.min.js to get rid of the inline popups.
- rl3 10y ago>I want 1998 back. I'd be happy with 2011, just before the Metro-inspired redesign of MSDN hit.
- userbinator 10y agoCompare: http://web.archive.org/web/20111228110049/http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms686714(v=VS.85).aspx http://web.archive.org/web/20111228110049/http://msdn.micros... http://web.archive.org/web/20130422112102/http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms686714(v=vs.85).aspx http://web.archive.org/web/20130422112102/http://msdn.micros... http://web.archive.org/web/20150102192514/http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms686714(v=vs.85).aspx http://web.archive.org/web/20150102192514/http://msdn.micros... I very much prefer the first design too.
- JorgeGT 10y agoAlso a small "add comment" icon pops under each paragraph when hovering, making entire paragraphs jump up and down as I scroll down the page, it's very distracting.
- taspeotis 10y ago> And stuff keeps moving/jumping when I'm moving the mouse cursor. Yes it's quite bad on that blog post, but if you check out an article [1] it doesn't suffer from that problem. Still has the selection-reader [2] problem, though. [1] https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/remoteapp/remoteapp-whatis https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/remoteapp/remoteapp-whatis [2] https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20150528-00/?p=45014 https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20150528-00/?p=...
- neppo 10y agothe text in [1] is not justified, that seems to make the comment icon behave differently. It goes to the right of the paragraph in that case instead of the last sentence of the paragraph.
- partisan 10y agoHover over an image and watch it change the layout.
- danfernandez 10y ago[Disclosure: I'm on the team that helped build the site] Yes, this is a bug and something we will fix, thanks for calling this out :)
- fredley 10y agoAs a substitute for 1998, a simple userscript blocking all text-selection events could do the trick. One of the great things about the web is that you can choose how to consume it - publishers are essentially powerless to prevent you building your own view on their data. Adblock, readability, etc. It can be easy to forget sometimes.
- Zekio 10y agoBlock livefyre.com javascript and they stop appearing
- nailer 10y ago> On my 32" 4K display, 70% of the screen is empty. Totally agreed on your other points (particularly about animations on selection) but as the article mentions, eye tracking repeatedly shows people have trouble reading very wide text. Also many people use large monitors to have multiple windows, rather than a single window maximised.
- nacs 10y ago> eye tracking repeatedly shows people have trouble reading very wide text Yes but to optimize for larger screens, the correct thing to do is to scale everything up (fonts, spacing, etc) in a responsive manner. The amount of text content per line wouldn't change much, it would just fill up the screen better instead of using the same tiny font size you'd use for a 13inch screen @ 1080p on a 32" 4K display.
- ygra 10y agoScaling up only works to a certain point. Not every screen is a phone screen and should suffer from the same amount of visible text. If I scale a page to a good line length I end up with text so comically large that only a single paragraph fits on the screen, if at all. When lines get longer you either have to increase the leading, or font size, or shorten the lines to retain readability. Personally I hate having to detach every other tab from the browser just to change to width to something that's readable. In that sense I much prefer the content to have a maximum width beyond a certain viewport width because it's the only viable option to still have text that is readable.
- nailer 10y agoI happily browse the Web at 125% on a 27inch monitor because I like pages to be large, but if pages made double width windows have double size content it would be like sitting directly in front of a TV.
- WorldMaker 10y agoA better option is to expand to multiple columns, like Newspapers discovered centuries ago.
- txdv 10y agoWhat monitor do you have?
- flatline 10y agoThe icon for adding a comment to a paragraph when there is none also causes the rest of the page text to reflow. If this is a preview of what's to come, they've migrated to a 2016 appearance and brought along all the clunkiness of the old MSDN. Kudos.
- jbb555 10y agoThere seems to be some plan to use less and less of the screen. I keep looking at wordpress templates and almost all of them want to use about 1/8th of my screen width which is terrible
- piyush_soni 10y agoHa! So a lot of us have that strange problem! :) And I hate it too when websites do funky pop-up stuff on text selection. But somehow, I don't see that problem on this website. Which browser are you using?
- sp332 10y agoI see this on Firefox on Win10. And you have to hit the back button twice to go back, which happens on a lot of Microsoft sites. Edit: looks like it's being served from fyre.co, which might be blocked by adblockers?
- piyush_soni 10y agoStrange. I'm using Firefox on Win7 here, but it shouldn't have been Windows difference. Will check when I go home where I have Win10.
- piyush_soni 10y agoOh, I found out - I was looking at a following link from the original page (https://docs.microsoft.com https://docs.microsoft.com) - which didn't have the problem. It's there on the HN linked page. These days I fix all of these annoying pages using uBlock Origin's "Element Picker mode" and hiding them.
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- infogulch 10y ago> And you have to hit the back button twice to go back Could browsers not be smarter about this? If I'm on page A and I click a link X that redirects to B, when I click back I expect to go back to A, especially if X still redirects to B.
- piyush_soni 10y agoBrowsers are already smart about that, but they also allow websites to override it, which is kind of important too. And then they can mess it up.
- asquabventured 10y ago> Oh no. It pops up a quick menu when I select text, like Medium. The problem is that I'm constantly selecting the lines I'm reading. :( I do the same thing when reading text and HATE websites that do this, the solution I've found is to just use uBlock Origin to block annoying web elements like this. You can do the same, just add the following filters: docs.microsoft.com##body > .lf:nth-of-type(7) > .lf-active.lf-selection-popover.lf-popover > .lf-popover-content.lf-thread-content docs.microsoft.com##body > .lf:nth-of-type(7) > .lf-active.lf-selection-popover.lf-popover > .lf-popover-arrow
- abimaelmartell 10y agoI really hate the popup thing.
- Raphmedia 10y agoHold the button while you read, the popup appears on mouse button up and not on the press itself.
- mixmastamyk 10y ago> Also, it's extremely narrow. On my 32" 4K display, 70% of the screen is empty. And the font is too think. And stuff keeps moving/jumping when I'm moving the mouse cursor. Why maximize a browser window on such a screen? Three or four windows side by side would take advantage of it.
- sixhobbits 10y agoI don't remember 1998 too well, but I read the article formatted like this http://m.imgur.com/yWTv9Xz http://m.imgur.com/yWTv9Xz and I still find it preferable to the original.
- dave2000 10y ago> 70% of the screen is empty Welcome to the last few years. I thought, when i bought a 24 inch monitor, I'd be using all of it; instead I'm minimizing Firefox so that sites don't look silly. I guess when you're using technology as badly designed as that used to create/display websites anything harder than justifying text and images becomes a nightmare to develop and support.
- kevin_thibedeau 10y agoNoScript it into oblivion or cut it out with a Greasemonkey scalpel.