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Worst case scenario they pull out of China (where they are purposely hemorrhaging money). Their profitability in America, means they are in no threat of "dying"
by pj_mukh 11y ago
Worst case scenario they pull out of China (where they are purposely hemorrhaging money). Their profitability in America, means they are in no threat of "dying".
- untog 11y agoBut will they continue to be profitable? Imagine a new startup launches today offering ridesharing in NYC. Drivers - who already have Lyft running - add the app to their roster. After some advertising spend, so do users. What is Uber's strategy to stop them? Spend more money, usually - more advertising! More drivers! Is that sustainable? What is Uber's moat?
- mrdrozdov 11y agoDriverless cars and state of the art engineering infrastructure.
- untog 11y agoDriverless cars at least half a decade if not a decade away from widespread adoption in cities. Who's to say they'll last that long? What does "state of the art engineering infrastructure" give users? I don't recall Lyft's app ever failing on me.
- bobjordan 11y agoFinally, Uber get's pushed out of relevance by driverless cars, from BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Chevy, Ford, etc., who will ultimately never let them have this market.
- CPLX 11y agoDriverless cars don't exist and there's literally zero evidence that Uber has a stronger claim on that market than any other aspiring company. Engineering for an app like this is non-trivial but hardly insurmountable. The one advantage they do have is network effect, the more drivers and users they have the quicker it is to get a ride and more lucrative for drivers. That does matter, the question is how much.
- rhino369 11y agoIf anything Driveless cars is a huge threat to uber. Buying the cars would be a massive capital investment. Right now they rely on their employees/contractors to bring a 20k+ asset to work with them. Someone like Hertz or a General Motors already have fleets and know how to manage them. All they have to do is engineer an app. What is easier? A nationwide vehicle fleet or an app that connects drivers to riders.
- alanh 11y agoAnd you know GM is invested in and partnered with Lyft, right? GM also fully acquired Sidecar, the recently shuttered Lyft/Uber competitor.
- bdrool 11y agoDriverless cars will happen at the same time for everyone. Uber's competitors will get them at the same time they do. It will not amount to a long-term or even short-term advantage.
- foobarqux 11y agoIf you compete on price through dumping, then the party with the most cash reserves (Uber) survives and bankrupts the competitors (Lyft).
- marcosdumay 11y agoThat's completely iffy. Maybe the party with biggest publicity budget wins, or maybe it's the one with lower overhead (in things like publicity), or maybe it's the one that pays better the drivers... Or maybe there comes a company with a really open network, and destroys the entire market in exchange for a couple million (what is a good thing, by the way).
- alanh 11y agoBut Lyft is now partially owned by General Motors, who have every incentive to make Lyft the winner here.
- superuser2 11y agoPool. One-off rides are fungible; shared ride infrastructure is only cost-effective with scale.
- sbierwagen 11y agoTheir profitability in America, means they are in no threat of "dying". Ha. http://www.businessinsider.com/uber-says-its-profitable-in-the-us-2016-4 http://www.businessinsider.com/uber-says-its-profitable-in-t... Citing previously undisclosed financial documents, Bloomberg pegs Uber’s February US profit per ride at $0.19 (not including “interest, taxes, and equity-based compensation for employees"). Nineteen cents per ride. Before tax!
- goldbrick 11y agoThey're doing more volume than the entire taxi industry though. It adds up.
- sbierwagen 11y agohttp://www.barrypopik.com/index.php/new_york_city/entry/we_lose_money_on_every_sale_but_make_it_up_on_volume http://www.barrypopik.com/index.php/new_york_city/entry/we_l...
- delecti 11y agoThe article isn't specific enough to know for sure whether that's average profit per ride, or whether that's the margin they skim off the top per ride Does that $0.19 come from (total margins from US rides - total US operating expenses) / (total number of US rides), or is it (total user payment - total driver costs) / (total number of US rides). The former means that they're actually bringing in about 10m in total net profit per month, which isn't terrible. The latter means they're probably not doing so well.