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Calacanis does not seem worth trusting based on this.

richcollins 17y ago
or this: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1074168 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1074168 or this: http://www.seobook.com/black-hat-seo-case-study http://www.seobook.com/black-hat-seo-case-study ...
travisjeffery 17y ago
When did Calacanis ever seem to be worth trusting? He'll do anything to get attention.
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onewland 17y ago
I think he's worth trusting as much as it's worth it to trust anybody else in business; that is, not that much. Jason Calacanis is not your friend, unless he's actually your friend. If you have a juicy story you want kept secret, why would you tell one of the most loud people in your industry?
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jasonmcalacanis 17y ago
1. I did forward the note to Loren, but I didn't think Loren would use it this way. 2. Loren shouldn't have and that was not cool. 3. Daniel has problems and needs to get help. I feel bad for him because doing something so extreme at a young age so publicly is, well, not good. 4. Good on the company who turned Daniel in and who confessed--that's brave. It was also really stupid and desperate to even consider, let alone promise, giving a laptop in return for a blog post. Honestly, if you're company doesn't get attention don't get desperate... just keep trying! 5. Bad on me for sending this to Loren. I honestly didn't even read the whole thing... I was like "oh here is an email from the dude who got extorted cool... " I actually didn't think it was that big of deal. 6. If you can do a story about Open Angel Forum on Thursday and get it to the top slot on HN I will gladly give you an Apple Tablet. Anyway, I've got more important things to attend to at 1AM than Daniel extortion plot fall out. peace and love, jcal
- romland 17y ago
  If you wanted to sway me into disagreeing with parent's post, then you pretty much failed. Your post came across as pretty insincere. Sorry to say. And this: If you can do a story about Open Angel Forum on Thursday and get it to the top slot on HN I will gladly give you an Apple Tablet. Always an agenda, eh. Even if the event is news-worthy (and organization good), together with the rest of your post it certainly made me sneer.
  - jasonmcalacanis 17y ago
    get a sense of humor.... really. this isn't that big of deal. also, i get noting out of doing Open Angel Forum other than pleasure (and maybe the ability to cherry pick a couple of amazing investments from time to time if the startups will have me!). it's a pure labor of love.... ... don't hate.
    - cj 17y ago
      Obviously it's a more of a "big deal" to a lot of people on this site, considering it got 200 votes overnight. Pretending it's not a big deal makes you sound ignorant. If and when mahalo fails, and you end up having to sell your tesla, no ones going to be around to support you.
    - lucifer 17y ago
      "I have thrown my life into Divvyshot for the last year. I've personally invested close to $100,000 into the company. I would probably give anything I have to see it succeed. Other than a happy and fulfilling relationship with my girlfriend, there's nothing I want more." Sounds like a big deal to me. Not good when good men like Sam have to deal with men of dubious morals and ethics and for the kicker we get to hear that the issue is that our sense [of] humor is lacking. Peace and love.
- jwr 17y ago
  Why do people downmod Jason's post? Disagreeing is not a reason for downmodding. I was interested in his response, whatever it might be. I want to judge for myself.
shareme 17y ago
JC did not out him..LF had other sources he used..as Sammy has a big damn mouth
- jon_dahl 17y ago
  LF: No emails from Jason were in any way involved in the making of this story. Nothing was spoken about, reprinted, or transmitted by me in any way. JC: Bad on me for sending this to Loren. I honestly didn't even read the whole thing... I was like "oh here is an email from the dude who got extorted cool... " I actually didn't think it was that big of deal.
shareme 17y ago
Not only did JC not out Sam Odio but some of us smart people figured out who of Sam's friends bought Daniel the iMac.. Sam Odio was dumb enough to open his mouth even..I mean when you blab that bad over internet about what you thought you got away with why do you expect it to be secret for long?
- Sam_Odio 17y ago
  I wasn't "blabbing" about something I got away with. I reached out to Jason because I mistakenly thought that he might be willing to help a guy in a tight spot. I've never been in a situation like this before. That was obviously a mistake. Also, I've been careful to only reveal information about my friend that was already public. See Daniel's mixergy interview: http://mixergy.com/daniel-brusilovsky/ http://mixergy.com/daniel-brusilovsky/ It's already known that Daniel received an iMac and who he received it from.
  - AndrewWarner 17y ago
    Yup. He said who gave him the iMac. People who called my interview a joke are still trying to figure out if he got the iMac and who gave it to him. But he did the Mixergy interview on the iMac and talked about who gave it to him. And, making fun of Daniel is a slam dunk right now. Everyone seems to be doing it. I think the more honorable thing is to think when others are outraged.
shareme 17y ago
No matter whether you agree or disagree with JC, Mike Arrington or anyone else in this debacle here is what really pisses me off As a person building a startup and startup products there is no room for behavior in which both sides of the bribe get a free pass. S Odio is just as guilty as Daniel.. We do not need this type of fraud in our tech industry as it leads to bigger fraud crimes. Okay back to code..rant mode off
- ErrantX 17y ago
  At what point did Sam take part in a bribe? His response seems to have been a genuine mix of confusion, shock and "I assume this is a joke right?". Ultimately he went to arrington when it was clear the idea of a bribe was serious. How else should he have reacted?

or this: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1074168 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1074168 or this: http://www.seobook.com/black-hat-seo-case-study http://www.seobook.com/black-hat-seo-case-study ...

travisjeffery 17y ago

When did Calacanis ever seem to be worth trusting? He'll do anything to get attention.

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onewland 17y ago

I think he's worth trusting as much as it's worth it to trust anybody else in business; that is, not that much. Jason Calacanis is not your friend, unless he's actually your friend. If you have a juicy story you want kept secret, why would you tell one of the most loud people in your industry?

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jasonmcalacanis 17y ago

1. I did forward the note to Loren, but I didn't think Loren would use it this way. 2. Loren shouldn't have and that was not cool. 3. Daniel has problems and needs to get help. I feel bad for him because doing something so extreme at a young age so publicly is, well, not good. 4. Good on the company who turned Daniel in and who confessed--that's brave. It was also really stupid and desperate to even consider, let alone promise, giving a laptop in return for a blog post. Honestly, if you're company doesn't get attention don't get desperate... just keep trying! 5. Bad on me for sending this to Loren. I honestly didn't even read the whole thing... I was like "oh here is an email from the dude who got extorted cool... " I actually didn't think it was that big of deal. 6. If you can do a story about Open Angel Forum on Thursday and get it to the top slot on HN I will gladly give you an Apple Tablet. Anyway, I've got more important things to attend to at 1AM than Daniel extortion plot fall out. peace and love, jcal

romland 17y ago
If you wanted to sway me into disagreeing with parent's post, then you pretty much failed. Your post came across as pretty insincere. Sorry to say. And this: If you can do a story about Open Angel Forum on Thursday and get it to the top slot on HN I will gladly give you an Apple Tablet. Always an agenda, eh. Even if the event is news-worthy (and organization good), together with the rest of your post it certainly made me sneer.
- jasonmcalacanis 17y ago
  get a sense of humor.... really. this isn't that big of deal. also, i get noting out of doing Open Angel Forum other than pleasure (and maybe the ability to cherry pick a couple of amazing investments from time to time if the startups will have me!). it's a pure labor of love.... ... don't hate.
  - cj 17y ago
    Obviously it's a more of a "big deal" to a lot of people on this site, considering it got 200 votes overnight. Pretending it's not a big deal makes you sound ignorant. If and when mahalo fails, and you end up having to sell your tesla, no ones going to be around to support you.
  - lucifer 17y ago
    "I have thrown my life into Divvyshot for the last year. I've personally invested close to $100,000 into the company. I would probably give anything I have to see it succeed. Other than a happy and fulfilling relationship with my girlfriend, there's nothing I want more." Sounds like a big deal to me. Not good when good men like Sam have to deal with men of dubious morals and ethics and for the kicker we get to hear that the issue is that our sense [of] humor is lacking. Peace and love.
jwr 17y ago
Why do people downmod Jason's post? Disagreeing is not a reason for downmodding. I was interested in his response, whatever it might be. I want to judge for myself.

shareme 17y ago

JC did not out him..LF had other sources he used..as Sammy has a big damn mouth

jon_dahl 17y ago
LF: No emails from Jason were in any way involved in the making of this story. Nothing was spoken about, reprinted, or transmitted by me in any way. JC: Bad on me for sending this to Loren. I honestly didn't even read the whole thing... I was like "oh here is an email from the dude who got extorted cool... " I actually didn't think it was that big of deal.

shareme 17y ago

Not only did JC not out Sam Odio but some of us smart people figured out who of Sam's friends bought Daniel the iMac.. Sam Odio was dumb enough to open his mouth even..I mean when you blab that bad over internet about what you thought you got away with why do you expect it to be secret for long?

Sam_Odio 17y ago
I wasn't "blabbing" about something I got away with. I reached out to Jason because I mistakenly thought that he might be willing to help a guy in a tight spot. I've never been in a situation like this before. That was obviously a mistake. Also, I've been careful to only reveal information about my friend that was already public. See Daniel's mixergy interview: http://mixergy.com/daniel-brusilovsky/ http://mixergy.com/daniel-brusilovsky/ It's already known that Daniel received an iMac and who he received it from.
- AndrewWarner 17y ago
  Yup. He said who gave him the iMac. People who called my interview a joke are still trying to figure out if he got the iMac and who gave it to him. But he did the Mixergy interview on the iMac and talked about who gave it to him. And, making fun of Daniel is a slam dunk right now. Everyone seems to be doing it. I think the more honorable thing is to think when others are outraged.

shareme 17y ago

No matter whether you agree or disagree with JC, Mike Arrington or anyone else in this debacle here is what really pisses me off As a person building a startup and startup products there is no room for behavior in which both sides of the bribe get a free pass. S Odio is just as guilty as Daniel.. We do not need this type of fraud in our tech industry as it leads to bigger fraud crimes. Okay back to code..rant mode off

ErrantX 17y ago
At what point did Sam take part in a bribe? His response seems to have been a genuine mix of confusion, shock and "I assume this is a joke right?". Ultimately he went to arrington when it was clear the idea of a bribe was serious. How else should he have reacted?