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I don't follow him on Twitter because I don't want to get hassled when I go through US customs since I'm from another country (NZ).

by feelix 10y ago

tn13 10y ago
Exactly. If fear of handful of terrorists have made our communities this corrupt then sadly looks like the terrorists have won in shaking the very foundation of western societies. This decay is slow but more like cancer it gives slow death to a civilization.
- mirimir 10y ago
  It's pretty clear that Al-Qaeda etc accomplished at least some of their goals. The 9/11 attack drew the US into Afghanistan and Iraq. And chaos in Iraq has been a huge factor in the growth of ISIS. 9/11 has also corroded respect for the US Constitution. The CIA got into torture, and the NSA maxed out its intercept and analysis capabilities. So yes, it "sadly looks like the terrorists have won" :( Edit: Deleted "('just a piece of paper' according to W)".
- theflyingkiwi42 10y ago
  mirimir, that W quote is false. http://www.factcheck.org/2007/12/bush-the-constitution-a-goddamned-piece-of-paper/ http://www.factcheck.org/2007/12/bush-the-constitution-a-god... Please check your facts before spreading false rumors. Thanks!
  - hartpuff 10y ago
    While we're all busy checking our facts, the site you linked to does not state the quote is "false", it says it is "extremely unlikely".
    - mryan 10y ago
      It says it is "extremely unlikely" in the second line. If you read slightly further you will see: > We judge that the odds that the report is accurate hover near zero. It comes from Capitol Hill Blue... > Update, Feb. 21, 2011: The author of the Capitol Hill Blue story has now withdrawn it.
      - hartpuff 10y ago
        > If you read slightly further you will see: Good point. Because I mentioned two words that appear at the top of the page, that means I obviously didn't read any further. If you read the article you'll know that nowhere does it say false, as the other poster claimed. Why don't they say it's false, if it's false? What's stopping them? The fact that someone eventually removes something from their site does not mean it was false. Someone using the contrived sentence "the odds that the report is accurate hover near zero" - rather than just saying "it's false" - also does not make it false. I don't believe it happened either - sorry if you used your 500+ karma because I didn't issue a disclaimer to that effect - but that also doesn't mean it's false. My point was about someone whining about getting facts right, by linking to an aticle that bends over backwards to not say what they think it says.
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        mirimir 10y ago
        So, 5-10 years on, will people be claiming that Romney didn't diss Obama supporters in 2012? There is that video clip. But by then, it could probably have been faked. Reality is such an ephemeral thing.
  - mirimir 10y ago
    I'm going from memory. That quote was in the news, at the time. But yes, http://www.factcheck.org/2007/12/bush-the-constitution-a-goddamned-piece-of-paper/ http://www.factcheck.org/2007/12/bush-the-constitution-a-god... tells me that it's probably bogus. Thanks :)
tlrobinson 10y ago
[nevermind, was confused, sorry]
- umanwizard 10y ago
  I think he meant he doesn't follow Snowden
  - MichaelGG 10y ago
    I don't think so. Who was following Snowden before the leaks? CBP has hassled me over having a book on Korean and a documentary about Hitler. It's not necessarily racist if someone was overly nervous and hid friends, especially if they were non-Arab and notably Islamic (since Muslim isn't a race). Though the chance of a random CBP agent having a bad day probably dominates your threat profile unless.you're otherwise really notable. If I was going to, say, China, I might hide friends that were pro-evangelizing their religion. Fortunately I don't use social media.
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krapp 10y ago
Two million people follow Edward Snowden on Twitter... media personalities and people the US government are definitely watching anyway, and plenty of "normal" hangers on. I haven't seen or heard stories of anyone getting harassed over it. I think maybe you're engaging in a ridiculous level of paranoia.
- thomasahle 10y ago
  If they do harass you, you won't know that it's related to this. Also, it could only trigger I'm certain combinations with other things.
- fit2rule 10y ago
  Paranoia is an entirely healthy response to this heinous intrusion into our human rights. My anecdote - I'm Australian, lived in USA for decades, moved to Europe after 9/11. Every time I visit the USA it is an hours-long ordeal to explain, in fine detail, why I have the views I have, why I follow Snowden, why I participate in European hacker cultures, why my laptop is covered in security-conference-related stickers, etc. etc. During this process there is always the implied threat of imprisonment without due process. All my stuff is gone through. They find nothing, because I am not a threat in any way, other than that I freely associate with those aspects of society and culture which 'the mainstream' find mysterious, confusing, and scary. So, I don't go to the USA much. Its about as much fun to get there as driving into a brick wall.
  - rantanplan 10y ago
    I've heard these stories before but every time I stand in awe as if it's the first time(I've never traveled to US and I'll never will). Do they ask you about your FB/Twitter account or do they already know them?
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    - fit2rule 10y ago
      They look me up on Facebook right then and there .. just type in my name, look at my friends, see my connections. I'm connected, in some ways, with quite some movers and shakers in the security space, and I suppose there are alarm-bells in such a scenario. I dunno, it just feels so rude, intrusive, and backwards. I had a great time when I lived in the USA - now I just think of it as a sad, sad place. It lost its soul.
weaksauce 10y ago
I think the op meant they were avoiding the Muslim friend and not Snowden's Twitter.
madaxe_again 10y ago
I don't go to the US because I don't want to get hassled when I go through US immigration. Shame, as my father, cousins, and half-siblings live out there - he's a US citizen and has been held at immigration over my facebook posts.
- toomanythings2 10y ago
  I cower in fear every day cause my grandparents were born in a foreign country.
  - madaxe_again 10y ago
    Oh, I don't so much fear travel to the US so much as I'd just rather not reward their behaviour with my oh-so-esteemed presence.

I don't follow him on Twitter because I don't want to get hassled when I go through US customs since I'm from another country (NZ).

by feelix 10y ago

I don't follow him on Twitter because I don't want to get hassled when I go through US customs since I'm from another country (NZ).

tn13 10y ago

Exactly. If fear of handful of terrorists have made our communities this corrupt then sadly looks like the terrorists have won in shaking the very foundation of western societies. This decay is slow but more like cancer it gives slow death to a civilization.

mirimir 10y ago
It's pretty clear that Al-Qaeda etc accomplished at least some of their goals. The 9/11 attack drew the US into Afghanistan and Iraq. And chaos in Iraq has been a huge factor in the growth of ISIS. 9/11 has also corroded respect for the US Constitution. The CIA got into torture, and the NSA maxed out its intercept and analysis capabilities. So yes, it "sadly looks like the terrorists have won" :( Edit: Deleted "('just a piece of paper' according to W)".
theflyingkiwi42 10y ago
mirimir, that W quote is false. http://www.factcheck.org/2007/12/bush-the-constitution-a-goddamned-piece-of-paper/ http://www.factcheck.org/2007/12/bush-the-constitution-a-god... Please check your facts before spreading false rumors. Thanks!
- hartpuff 10y ago
  While we're all busy checking our facts, the site you linked to does not state the quote is "false", it says it is "extremely unlikely".
  - mryan 10y ago
    It says it is "extremely unlikely" in the second line. If you read slightly further you will see: > We judge that the odds that the report is accurate hover near zero. It comes from Capitol Hill Blue... > Update, Feb. 21, 2011: The author of the Capitol Hill Blue story has now withdrawn it.
    - hartpuff 10y ago
      > If you read slightly further you will see: Good point. Because I mentioned two words that appear at the top of the page, that means I obviously didn't read any further. If you read the article you'll know that nowhere does it say false, as the other poster claimed. Why don't they say it's false, if it's false? What's stopping them? The fact that someone eventually removes something from their site does not mean it was false. Someone using the contrived sentence "the odds that the report is accurate hover near zero" - rather than just saying "it's false" - also does not make it false. I don't believe it happened either - sorry if you used your 500+ karma because I didn't issue a disclaimer to that effect - but that also doesn't mean it's false. My point was about someone whining about getting facts right, by linking to an aticle that bends over backwards to not say what they think it says.
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      - mirimir 10y ago
        So, 5-10 years on, will people be claiming that Romney didn't diss Obama supporters in 2012? There is that video clip. But by then, it could probably have been faked. Reality is such an ephemeral thing.
- mirimir 10y ago
  I'm going from memory. That quote was in the news, at the time. But yes, http://www.factcheck.org/2007/12/bush-the-constitution-a-goddamned-piece-of-paper/ http://www.factcheck.org/2007/12/bush-the-constitution-a-god... tells me that it's probably bogus. Thanks :)

tlrobinson 10y ago

[nevermind, was confused, sorry]

umanwizard 10y ago
I think he meant he doesn't follow Snowden
- MichaelGG 10y ago
  I don't think so. Who was following Snowden before the leaks? CBP has hassled me over having a book on Korean and a documentary about Hitler. It's not necessarily racist if someone was overly nervous and hid friends, especially if they were non-Arab and notably Islamic (since Muslim isn't a race). Though the chance of a random CBP agent having a bad day probably dominates your threat profile unless.you're otherwise really notable. If I was going to, say, China, I might hide friends that were pro-evangelizing their religion. Fortunately I don't use social media.
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krapp 10y ago

Two million people follow Edward Snowden on Twitter... media personalities and people the US government are definitely watching anyway, and plenty of "normal" hangers on. I haven't seen or heard stories of anyone getting harassed over it. I think maybe you're engaging in a ridiculous level of paranoia.

thomasahle 10y ago
If they do harass you, you won't know that it's related to this. Also, it could only trigger I'm certain combinations with other things.
fit2rule 10y ago
Paranoia is an entirely healthy response to this heinous intrusion into our human rights. My anecdote - I'm Australian, lived in USA for decades, moved to Europe after 9/11. Every time I visit the USA it is an hours-long ordeal to explain, in fine detail, why I have the views I have, why I follow Snowden, why I participate in European hacker cultures, why my laptop is covered in security-conference-related stickers, etc. etc. During this process there is always the implied threat of imprisonment without due process. All my stuff is gone through. They find nothing, because I am not a threat in any way, other than that I freely associate with those aspects of society and culture which 'the mainstream' find mysterious, confusing, and scary. So, I don't go to the USA much. Its about as much fun to get there as driving into a brick wall.
- rantanplan 10y ago
  I've heard these stories before but every time I stand in awe as if it's the first time(I've never traveled to US and I'll never will). Do they ask you about your FB/Twitter account or do they already know them?
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  - fit2rule 10y ago
    They look me up on Facebook right then and there .. just type in my name, look at my friends, see my connections. I'm connected, in some ways, with quite some movers and shakers in the security space, and I suppose there are alarm-bells in such a scenario. I dunno, it just feels so rude, intrusive, and backwards. I had a great time when I lived in the USA - now I just think of it as a sad, sad place. It lost its soul.

weaksauce 10y ago

I think the op meant they were avoiding the Muslim friend and not Snowden's Twitter.

madaxe_again 10y ago

I don't go to the US because I don't want to get hassled when I go through US immigration. Shame, as my father, cousins, and half-siblings live out there - he's a US citizen and has been held at immigration over my facebook posts.

toomanythings2 10y ago
I cower in fear every day cause my grandparents were born in a foreign country.
- madaxe_again 10y ago
  Oh, I don't so much fear travel to the US so much as I'd just rather not reward their behaviour with my oh-so-esteemed presence.