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> What meaning do 1000 votes have Then why don't we ask the same in a democracy?

by kang 10y ago

beeboop 10y ago
Democracy doesn't have proxy voting when it's the public voting for representatives.
- deleted 10y ago
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- TheSpiceIsLife 10y ago
  But that's exactly what a representative is: A delegate you entrust to vote on your behalf.
maxerickson 10y ago
Because there are people that directly control millions of votes in companies and no similar structures in a democracy. The number of shares is the wrong number to reason about, it's the percentage of control that is interesting. If an individual has 51% (or more) control, the comparison to a democracy is obviously nonsense. (I used 1000 shares because it feels like a big number of shares but is still an utterly insignificant portion of Ford, which has a bit less than 4 billion shares)
- kang 10y ago
  So minorities should not vote?
  - maxerickson 10y ago
    They should do whatever they want to do. My point is that when a situation is futile, they should recognize that it is futile. A protest vote for a board member of a company strikes me as one of the more pointless ways to exercise a right to process.
ndesaulniers 10y ago
Unlike a democracy, in the stock market you can pay to have your vote count for more than others'.
- takeda 10y ago
  Isn't that how democracy generally ends up working?
  - ndesaulniers 10y ago
    Being familiar with the US form of democracy that involves lots of lobbyist money, it would seem.
  - philovivero 10y ago
    Why is this comment down-voted? In democracy, you can spend money on a PR campaign to sway many millions of votes your way. And as another commenter noted, once a candidate is in place, lobbyists can pay to get proper legislation passed. Finally, voting is rigged in any place where voting computers are installed, which appears to be a lot of places. Again, for the right money, you can completely change the course of an election.
rhino369 10y ago
You probably should. It's why I don't vote. Waste of effort.

> What meaning do 1000 votes have Then why don't we ask the same in a democracy?

by kang 10y ago

> What meaning do 1000 votes have Then why don't we ask the same in a democracy?

beeboop 10y ago

Democracy doesn't have proxy voting when it's the public voting for representatives.

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TheSpiceIsLife 10y ago
But that's exactly what a representative is: A delegate you entrust to vote on your behalf.

maxerickson 10y ago

Because there are people that directly control millions of votes in companies and no similar structures in a democracy. The number of shares is the wrong number to reason about, it's the percentage of control that is interesting. If an individual has 51% (or more) control, the comparison to a democracy is obviously nonsense. (I used 1000 shares because it feels like a big number of shares but is still an utterly insignificant portion of Ford, which has a bit less than 4 billion shares)

kang 10y ago
So minorities should not vote?
- maxerickson 10y ago
  They should do whatever they want to do. My point is that when a situation is futile, they should recognize that it is futile. A protest vote for a board member of a company strikes me as one of the more pointless ways to exercise a right to process.

ndesaulniers 10y ago

Unlike a democracy, in the stock market you can pay to have your vote count for more than others'.

takeda 10y ago
Isn't that how democracy generally ends up working?
- ndesaulniers 10y ago
  Being familiar with the US form of democracy that involves lots of lobbyist money, it would seem.
- philovivero 10y ago
  Why is this comment down-voted? In democracy, you can spend money on a PR campaign to sway many millions of votes your way. And as another commenter noted, once a candidate is in place, lobbyists can pay to get proper legislation passed. Finally, voting is rigged in any place where voting computers are installed, which appears to be a lot of places. Again, for the right money, you can completely change the course of an election.

rhino369 10y ago

You probably should. It's why I don't vote. Waste of effort.