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Diabetes: can you really eat to beat it?
- brudgers 10y agoThe article is about Type 2 diabetes. Type 1 diabetics are unable to manufacture insulin. No amount of green tea and yoga change that.
- chetman 10y agoCame here to ensure that was discussed. It's really kind of a shame that there's as much confusion about the types of diabetes as there is. I've taken to referring to them, in an EXCEEDINGLY reductive manner, as "autoimmune diabetes" and "cheeseburger diabetes." My brother has autoimmune diabetes (aka Type 1). We give to and volunteer with the JDRF as a result, because its mission is laser focussed on type 1 related research. I do not give to or support the ADA, because their efforts are really diffuse and seem to focus more on the cheeseburger type.
- auggierose 10y agoYou could also just say that one type of diabetes is about people who love cheeseburgers by nature, and the other one about people whose genes are broken in a different way (also by nature). Now, if you want to discuss which one is more important: maybe the one which occurs more commonly and is easier to cure?
- busterarm 10y agoIts a big lie though. Type-2s genes are (usually) also broken. ;)
- davnicwil 10y agoJust to dispel a common misconception, the cause of type 1 diabetes remains unknown. There is no conclusive proof that the condition is genetic. AFAIK there are certain correlations with the condition and the presence of certain gene combinations, and hypotheses abound that it is indeed a genetic condition, but they are still just hypotheses - research is ongoing.
- coldpie 10y agoYeah. If it doesn't explicitly state a type, 99% of the time it's about Type 2. As a Type 1 Diabetic, it's really frustrating that these unrelated diseases have the same name. I've been asked more than once if I ate a lot of candy as a kid.
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- MonadQueen 10y agoIt's estimated that 60% of type-2 diabetics would no longer be affected if they simply lost weight and got down to a healthy BMI. Obese Type-2s should really be called "Type F" because it's not fair to people who didn't self-inflict their condition.
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- MonadQueen 10y agoExactly. When far people say 'but my genetics' I want to scream. No amount of genetics can create matter from thin air.
- auggierose 10y agoNot sure what fairness has to do with it. But then again, it's probably too much to expect common sense from people who love monads.
- busterarm 10y agoOh, completely ignoring the fact that most people who get Type-2 diabetes are genetically predisposed to it and it can also be caused by things like repeated bouts of pancreatitis and EPI. But no, let's shame everyone who is fat for being overindulgent. Maybe having diabetes wouldn't be stigmatized so much if so many Type-1s didn't participate in it as well. (Non-diabetic here, I have no dog in this fight.)
- forgetsusername 10y ago>most people who get Type-2 Do you have any evidence that it's most? >let's shame everyone who is fat for being overindulgent. Being overweight is tied to many diseases, and costs me a lot of money in health care costs. I have a say in this.
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- Snowalker 10y agoactually this worked for me, I had high blood sugar and high blood pressure and I solved both with low carbs diet and eating healthy. It's like the article say, eating healthy will help no matter what but yeah it's hard to stop eating junk.
- pitchka 10y agohigh carb diet works too. there's no junk food. there's nothing junky in a hamburger. on the other hand, it is unhealthy if you eat hamburger every day or so. http://www.diabetes.org/diabetes-basics/myths/ http://www.diabetes.org/diabetes-basics/myths/ here's american diabetes association recommending a normal healthy high-carb diet with low GI foods. it is also advised, funnily, that fruit consumption shouldn't be restricted.
- ollysb 10y agoI'd warn people not to pay too much attention to the advice that the american diabetes association provides. The targets it recommends are well known to cause damage to the body (you should be avoiding anything above a BG of 140 at any time) and it's dietary recommendations are contrary to the advice I've ever received from anyone that has had good results maintaining diabetes. Just to pick up on the two points you mention, I would never consume fruit unless accompanied by exercise and a low-carb diet is recommended by any consultant or nutrionist that I've ever spoken to.
- crusso 10y agoThe mainstream medical community's slowness in coming to grips with the role of simple carbs in the diet has been shameful.
- pitchka 10y agoNutritionist is probably a pseudoscientist, because there's no such a thing as a nutritionist anywhere near science. http://www.badscience.net/2007/02/the-truth-about-nutritionists-2/ http://www.badscience.net/2007/02/the-truth-about-nutritioni... You are giving us anecdotal advice and advice of an unknown authority that can be questioned. American diabetes association provides its advice given the vast amount of evidence that high-carb diets work for lowering or eliminating the symptoms of diabetes. Pretty easy to sift through all that beautiful evidence. The fear of sugar is unfounded. But I guess people would rather live in fear than just eat healthy. https://scholar.google.hr/scholar?hl=en&q=high+carb+diabetes+diet&btnG=&as_sdt=1%2C5&as_sdtp= https://scholar.google.hr/scholar?hl=en&q=high+carb+diabetes... of course, there's evidence that low-carb also works, ketogenic too, and paleo even, and all fad diets alike. that's because they are in many ways healthier than what the diabetes patients had before but that doesn't mean they are objectively superior to diets with all various foods without no restriction. these diets, unfortunately, very often cause orthorexic tendencies, where people become obsessed with the substances they are consuming, they demonize foods (hamburgers, french fries, sugar, etc.), they think there's something natural, organic, healthy or unhealthy, despite the "fact" all foods are healthy, and only diets can be unhealthy.
- js2 10y agoMichael Mosley's documentary, ”Eat, Fast and Live Longer” (about the health benefits of calorie restriction) is also interesting in the context of this article: https://vimeo.com/103656060 https://vimeo.com/103656060 the plank (an exercise to help lose excess fat round the stomach) This is incorrect. The plank is an excellent exercise for building core strength (much better than situps), but it does not help lose excess fat around the stomach more or less so than any other exercise does.
- sp332 10y agoIn fact, you can't target fat loss. http://www.yalescientific.org/2011/04/targeted-fat-loss-myth-or-reality/ http://www.yalescientific.org/2011/04/targeted-fat-loss-myth...
- Smaug123 10y agoAlso the weirdly specific forearm muscles to soak up excess energy before it gets turned into fat. I'm no doctor, but even I know that the thigh muscles are much, much bigger than the forearms in nearly everyone.
- srb- 10y agothe plank (an exercise to help lose excess fat round the stomach) Cringe. Hard to take the writer seriously after this statement. The rest of the article seemed fine so I googled around to see if there was some stunning new research showing the plank (or any specific movement) spot-reducing fat. Nope.
- leonroy 10y agoTo be honest spot reduction is one of those stubborn myths that persists much like people believing that fat is the boogey man. Nutrition and fitness seem to be areas which really lack good, hard science behind the many assumptions we make about them.
- ollysb 10y agoI was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes about a year and a half ago, at the time I had an HBA1C of 8.2 (6.0 is the top end of normal). The first thing I did when I got home was google "cure for diabetes", the newcastle diet is what came up. After 6 months of the usual medication (metformin etc.) I decided to give it a go. You can see my log, which includes medication, supplements, exercise, total calories per day and BG readings 5 times a day[1]. You can see that it took me just 12 days to come off the medication and that in the following 2 months I was able to maintain excellent BG control. A year later I'm still off the medication, my last HBA1C was 5.7 which is considered normal. Maintaining that does require daily exercise (and I do mean _every_ day) and good diet management but I've found it a fairly easy regime to follow (half an hour of 80% intensity is enough most days). My quality of life is now excellent (it was terrible on the medication) and I'm able to eat a little more freely. The only big differences regarding diet are that I now only drink a couple of times a month and I don't go near anything with wheat flour in it. EDIT: google docs doesn't seem to allow me to share the docs publicly (I can only share with specific email addresses or within my domain) so I've made them available as csv and excel files. [1] CSV - https://www.dropbox.com/s/tr1xwd3l6ziiows/newcastle_diet.csv?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/tr1xwd3l6ziiows/newcastle_diet.csv... Excel - https://www.dropbox.com/s/12tjf23oz7ihq4d/newcastle_diet.xlsx?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/12tjf23oz7ihq4d/newcastle_diet.xls...
- needcaffeine 10y agoCan't access the document. Permissions need to be changed.
- melling 10y agoPeople who use metformin seem to live longer than those who don't. Studies are about to be done to see if it actually works: http://www.wsj.com/articles/fountain-of-youth-drug-trial-has-seniors-scrambling-to-prove-theyre-worthy-1461536819 http://www.wsj.com/articles/fountain-of-youth-drug-trial-has... "Behind the mania is a widely used, inexpensive generic pill for Type 2 diabetes called metformin. Scientists are planning a clinical trial to see if the drug can delay or prevent some of the most devastating diseases of advanced age, from heart ailments to cognitive decline to cancer. To test the pill, gerontologists at 14 aging centers around the U.S. will follow 3,000 seniors for six years. Half the seniors involved would get the drug, while the others would receive a placebo."
- Smaug123 10y agoI'm a bit surprised the article didn't come with a "don't try this diet without first consulting a medical professional" warning, since starving yourself for a month is a pretty drastic lifestyle change.
- kelukelugames 10y agoWorked for my step dad. Though my mom used to be a doctor and she managed his diet.
- facepalm 10y agoSounds great, although it seems to me it is not so much curing Diabetes as keeping it in check?
- dpark 10y agoIs there a difference? Type II diabetes is largely a lifestyle disease. It develops because of the way we eat and (don't) exercise. If you have chronic wrist problems from typing all day, I'd say that eliminating the typing is a legitimate cure. If you have diabetes because you eat too much and exercise too little, I'd say eating less and exercising more is a legitimate cure as well.
- mchmch 10y agoType 2 Diabetes can 100% be "cured" by a low fat vegan diet. Sorry you don't need a pill, you need to wake up and face the fact that you are poising yourself with your high fat diet. FAT causes diabetes (and high blood pressure and heart disease) NOT Sugar. Dietary fat clogs up your bloodstream preventing insulin from effectively doing it's job. http://www.amazon.com/Neal-Barnards-Program-Reversing-Diabetes/dp/1594868107 http://www.amazon.com/Neal-Barnards-Program-Reversing-Diabet... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6N636ftTJ10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6N636ftTJ10
- wdewind 10y agoThe current science does not support this position. The current science basically says there is an interplay between fats and carbs, and that fat tends to clog your arteries when consumed in the presence of a caloric surplus, usually brought on via carbs. Low fat diets seem to work provided they are high in fiber, and high fat diets seem to work provided they are low in carbs. High fat, high carb seems to be where we see the biggest issues. So while you actually might be right, that in many cases a low fat vegan diet helps T2 diabetes, it's only one of many strategies to arrive at a suitable diet.
- fpoling 10y agoCould you recommend some useful links about this? In particular it is interesting to know if there is some range with fat/carbo ratio when the result is particularly bad.
- wdewind 10y agohttp://www.marksdailyapple.com/saturated-fat-healthy/ http://www.marksdailyapple.com/saturated-fat-healthy/ This is a nice digest of a lot of the science around fats, that while somewhat biased, is a pretty good summary and includes links to studies should you want to dig deeper.
- mchmch 10y agoPlease don't trust your health to people selling Paelo diet t-shirts, books, and diet bars... A high fat diet will kill you in the long term. Idea: Call 10 cardiologists, ask them if you should increase your fat consumption... then call 10,000 more and hear the same thing. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=fat+causes+diabetes https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=fat+causes+diab...
- pramalin 10y agoThere is an Indian Facebook group about Paleo diet, where dozens if not hundreds of people followed simple LCHF diet and reversed their type 2 diabetics and got type 1 under control among other improvements. Few physicians also got cured and they started advocating the diet. These doctors are working towards getting Indian Diabetes Association to recognize LCHF diet as a viable remedy. You can see many medical reports posted by the members for your reference. https://www.facebook.com/groups/tamilhealth/ https://www.facebook.com/groups/tamilhealth/
- simik 10y agoThere are a quite a few "no more diabetes" stories in /r/keto, ketogenic diet subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/keto/comments/437lyj/nsv_take_that_diabetes/ https://www.reddit.com/r/keto/comments/437lyj/nsv_take_that_... https://www.reddit.com/r/keto/comments/1dws7z/nsv_defeated_diabetes/ https://www.reddit.com/r/keto/comments/1dws7z/nsv_defeated_d... https://www.reddit.com/r/keto/comments/3v1nq3/nsv_im_officially_diabetes_free_thanks_to_keto/ https://www.reddit.com/r/keto/comments/3v1nq3/nsv_im_officia... https://www.reddit.com/r/keto/comments/41cu92/sv_nsv_pics_lost_51lbs_and_a_diabetes_diagnosis/ https://www.reddit.com/r/keto/comments/41cu92/sv_nsv_pics_lo...
- known 10y agoFor eight weeks, the patients drank a diet milkshake three times daily and ate some 200 grams of non-starchy vegetables, totaling about 700 calories a day. The average weight loss among participants was about 14 kg (33 pounds). And in many of them, the diabetes disappeared. Nearly half the participants had no symptoms of diabetes for nearly six months after they went back to eating normally. http://qz.com/669254/its-possible-to-reverse-type-2-diabetes-in-some-people-and-its-not-even-that-difficult/ http://qz.com/669254/its-possible-to-reverse-type-2-diabetes...
- JamieAli 10y agoI literally can't believe how you haven't realized you can reverse diabetes and get rid of it, permanently. Not only type 1 diabetes but also type II. My friends mother had it, until she found this and now she's been cured ever since. http://thehealthspecialists.com/diabetes-destroyer http://thehealthspecialists.com/diabetes-destroyer