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Really? Where did you hear that?

by flashm 10y ago

dijit 10y ago
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/mar/24/land-registry-faces-privatisation http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/mar/24/land-registr...
- flashm 10y ago
  Well that would be crap :( However, I did vote Blue, and I agree with the principal of small Government and that more should be privatised. Can't have my cake and eat it I suppose.
  - collyw 10y ago
    Your own fault.
  - Brakenshire 10y ago
    There are a lot of things that are sensible to privatize, but this seems entirely political and ideological. I did think the Conservatives were more reasonable than this.
  - madaxe_again 10y ago
    Will, not would... I used to think much as you do, until I saw behind the veil and came to realise that while I agree with privatisation in principle, the practice actually comprises a land grab by vested interests who do have their cake and eat it too, as they usually not only get to keep their profits from their monopolies but get government subsidies and grants to boot. If anything, it's "champagne socialism", where the state lines private pockets - which is also known as fascism. I don't believe technocratic centralised socialistic management is the solution - rather, government by those who do not wish to govern and cannot abuse their position to foster their private interests (sortition holds appeal), and strong regulation of private industry with real teeth.
    - 7952 10y ago
      You see this problem in the energy market. The system is owned by private companies, but the government still have all the control. They get to set the rules and then blame evil big business when prices go up. The effect is to shut out smaller producers and lock in the bulk suppliers. Ironically state monopolies can be very good for small business. The land registry support an ecosystem of companies that help people navigate the arcane system. A private company could just absorb a lot of this and kill variety and competition.
  - pjc50 10y ago
    > I agree with the principal of small Government and that more should be privatised You should review this position if you think the Land Registry should not be privatised. Mostly there isn't much left to privatise that isn't an administrative function or health or education.
    - tonyedgecombe 10y ago
      Defence and police although I think that would be a step too far, even for the Conservatives.
      - pbhjpbhj 10y ago
        Yes it would be absolutely beyond the pale ... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-18150806 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-18150806 >'[Home Sec. Theresa May] added: "It is right that forces up and down the country are now looking... at bringing in the private sector to their forces where they feel there are functions that can be done more cost-effectively by the private sector."'
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  - Retric 10y ago
    I don't see how going from government management to private monopoly is supposed to make things better. What is the thought process?
    - pbhjpbhj 10y ago
      Well it makes it better for the rich people that now exclusively have control of the prior state run functions; they make more money and that's what's important to the Cons as they're who pays for the Tory party and provide the "consultancy" jobs for MPs. Why make things cheaper for everyone by running national functions from taxation when you can make them more expensive and share - perhaps at a distance - in the profits? /pure-cynicism which I hope is misplaced.
    - flashm 10y ago
      It costs a lot less, runs smoother, and gives better service. At least that's the idea. Whether it works or not in practice is for another day.
  - robotresearcher 10y ago
    Open data is not contrary with small government. Selling my own data to me sounds like more work to do.
esja 10y ago
It was announced (cynically) just before the Easter break. I think it's their second attempt to do this. Considering the Panama Papers etc. it's ridiculous that they are making moves to reduce transparency and accountability.
- toyg 10y ago
  > Considering the Panama Papers etc. it's ridiculous On the contrary, it's absolutely coherent. They enact policies to favour their own class, which is the class of people owning accounts in Panama and lots of real-estate. What is ridiculous is the amount of people who do not belong to such class (and likely never will, regardless of ambitions) and still vote for them over and over.

Really? Where did you hear that?

by flashm 10y ago

Really? Where did you hear that?

dijit 10y ago

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/mar/24/land-registry-faces-privatisation http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/mar/24/land-registr...

flashm 10y ago
Well that would be crap :( However, I did vote Blue, and I agree with the principal of small Government and that more should be privatised. Can't have my cake and eat it I suppose.
- collyw 10y ago
  Your own fault.
- Brakenshire 10y ago
  There are a lot of things that are sensible to privatize, but this seems entirely political and ideological. I did think the Conservatives were more reasonable than this.
- madaxe_again 10y ago
  Will, not would... I used to think much as you do, until I saw behind the veil and came to realise that while I agree with privatisation in principle, the practice actually comprises a land grab by vested interests who do have their cake and eat it too, as they usually not only get to keep their profits from their monopolies but get government subsidies and grants to boot. If anything, it's "champagne socialism", where the state lines private pockets - which is also known as fascism. I don't believe technocratic centralised socialistic management is the solution - rather, government by those who do not wish to govern and cannot abuse their position to foster their private interests (sortition holds appeal), and strong regulation of private industry with real teeth.
  - 7952 10y ago
    You see this problem in the energy market. The system is owned by private companies, but the government still have all the control. They get to set the rules and then blame evil big business when prices go up. The effect is to shut out smaller producers and lock in the bulk suppliers. Ironically state monopolies can be very good for small business. The land registry support an ecosystem of companies that help people navigate the arcane system. A private company could just absorb a lot of this and kill variety and competition.
- pjc50 10y ago
  > I agree with the principal of small Government and that more should be privatised You should review this position if you think the Land Registry should not be privatised. Mostly there isn't much left to privatise that isn't an administrative function or health or education.
  - tonyedgecombe 10y ago
    Defence and police although I think that would be a step too far, even for the Conservatives.
    - pbhjpbhj 10y ago
      Yes it would be absolutely beyond the pale ... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-18150806 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-18150806 >'[Home Sec. Theresa May] added: "It is right that forces up and down the country are now looking... at bringing in the private sector to their forces where they feel there are functions that can be done more cost-effectively by the private sector."'
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- Retric 10y ago
  I don't see how going from government management to private monopoly is supposed to make things better. What is the thought process?
  - pbhjpbhj 10y ago
    Well it makes it better for the rich people that now exclusively have control of the prior state run functions; they make more money and that's what's important to the Cons as they're who pays for the Tory party and provide the "consultancy" jobs for MPs. Why make things cheaper for everyone by running national functions from taxation when you can make them more expensive and share - perhaps at a distance - in the profits? /pure-cynicism which I hope is misplaced.
  - flashm 10y ago
    It costs a lot less, runs smoother, and gives better service. At least that's the idea. Whether it works or not in practice is for another day.
- robotresearcher 10y ago
  Open data is not contrary with small government. Selling my own data to me sounds like more work to do.

esja 10y ago

It was announced (cynically) just before the Easter break. I think it's their second attempt to do this. Considering the Panama Papers etc. it's ridiculous that they are making moves to reduce transparency and accountability.

toyg 10y ago
> Considering the Panama Papers etc. it's ridiculous On the contrary, it's absolutely coherent. They enact policies to favour their own class, which is the class of people owning accounts in Panama and lots of real-estate. What is ridiculous is the amount of people who do not belong to such class (and likely never will, regardless of ambitions) and still vote for them over and over.