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That might work but only after curing another evil of our time: the concept of sovereign nation. There must be effective (i.e. not nukes) policing force which m

That might work but only after curing another evil of our time: the concept of sovereign nation. There must be effective (i.e. not nukes) policing force which may regulate things all around the world. Also, elites must become truly international, not bearing the mentality of any nation.

samdoidge 11y ago
Is there any historical situation where destroying this 'evil' has been successful? Getting rid of nukes is not a real world possibility at this time - they are too powerful a tool. These comments are close to being ignorant of reality.
- anovikov 11y ago
  I don't mean 'get rid of nukes'. I mean 'invent some effective (result much smaller than expenses) way of world policing that doesn't mean nuking bad guys'.
vlehto 11y ago
As citizen of nordic country, I would rather kill some people than accept someone taking the independence of my nation. Our politicians are clowns, but they are our clowns. And they care about us lot more than EU clowns or U.S. clowns. So far it looks like bigger countries tend to have less efficient and more corrupt governments. If we make some kind of world government, that might turn incredibly inefficient and corrupt. And now you have absolutely nowhere to run to. If you are US citizen, you can small tasting of your new world order by voting in the next election like some random person over the internet tells you. Are you willing to do that?
- anovikov 11y ago
  I mean that! That's why it is impossible! Too many people value their nationhood/independence too much. So it is a double-edged sword: if you value your independence and sovereighnity of your country and other countries, you must also accept the fact that most countries are shitty and put their subjects into conditions little short of genocide, while others (like yes Nordic countries) are well-off. It's hard to call that unfair, if you don't allow others to mess with your stuff, nobody can help you avoiding fucking things up.
  - vlehto 11y ago
    If you have just one country, you have to accept that there is big likelihood that it's going to be shitty. End of the day you have fallible people in charge. If you have less cohesion among voters, then you have less cohesion among leaders. Which leads to corruption and cronyism, as every leader thinks "fuck this country, I have to secure the benefits of my voters and myself". I seriously think smaller is better in every respect.

samdoidge 11y ago

Is there any historical situation where destroying this 'evil' has been successful? Getting rid of nukes is not a real world possibility at this time - they are too powerful a tool. These comments are close to being ignorant of reality.

anovikov 11y ago
I don't mean 'get rid of nukes'. I mean 'invent some effective (result much smaller than expenses) way of world policing that doesn't mean nuking bad guys'.

vlehto 11y ago

As citizen of nordic country, I would rather kill some people than accept someone taking the independence of my nation. Our politicians are clowns, but they are our clowns. And they care about us lot more than EU clowns or U.S. clowns. So far it looks like bigger countries tend to have less efficient and more corrupt governments. If we make some kind of world government, that might turn incredibly inefficient and corrupt. And now you have absolutely nowhere to run to. If you are US citizen, you can small tasting of your new world order by voting in the next election like some random person over the internet tells you. Are you willing to do that?

anovikov 11y ago
I mean that! That's why it is impossible! Too many people value their nationhood/independence too much. So it is a double-edged sword: if you value your independence and sovereighnity of your country and other countries, you must also accept the fact that most countries are shitty and put their subjects into conditions little short of genocide, while others (like yes Nordic countries) are well-off. It's hard to call that unfair, if you don't allow others to mess with your stuff, nobody can help you avoiding fucking things up.
- vlehto 11y ago
  If you have just one country, you have to accept that there is big likelihood that it's going to be shitty. End of the day you have fallible people in charge. If you have less cohesion among voters, then you have less cohesion among leaders. Which leads to corruption and cronyism, as every leader thinks "fuck this country, I have to secure the benefits of my voters and myself". I seriously think smaller is better in every respect.