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Posted on Medium, a central, private, for-profit publishing platform. Oh the irony.

datamonsteryum 11y ago
+1. And you read it because you're visiting hackernews (also central, private, for-profit). It's a systemic problem. That's why we need new tools that let us operate outside that system.
- striking 11y ago
  But how would I discover content if I didn't use HN? Is there a way to aggregate and rank content without an authoritative server? Also, HN isn't for-profit (although YC is). Like, yeah, it's not a non-profit, but it's not designed to make any money either.
  - reitanqild 11y ago
    > Is there a way to aggregate and rank content without an authoritative server? Something like RSS: Pick up all posts tagged such and such from these users. I've thought a bit about this and if we really wanted to we could get really far with just a few hundred lines of code as well as some html templates. Problem is, most people like facebook and instagram :-/
    - true_religion 11y ago
      RSS doesn't really have a method for 3rd parties to rank content, does it? The thing about HN is voting and comments, both of which require manual moderation to be effective.
      - quikoa 11y ago
        Couldn't the moderation be distributed as well? Pick the moderators you want and the posts are filtered with their moderation actions.
        reitanqild 11y ago
        Agree, I could share (a subset of) my sources as could you. We could even automate it so if my post reader notices several of my sources following another source it will ask me if I want to look at or follow that source, etc.
    - eximius 11y ago
      Then 'most people' aren't your target audience. That doesn't mean there isn't a well sized target audience.
  - hackuser 11y ago
    Usenet / NNTP
    - striking 11y ago
      That's federated, which is a different kind of decentralized than the one implied in the article. Federated systems are less centralized, but still require regular clients to trust the system they are federated with.
- Typhon 11y ago
  I'm not sure what kind of new tools we need ? All the tools to create personal websites existed more than 20 years ago. They haven't disappeared. If anything they're probably cheaper, easier to find and to configure now, and also, more diverse, slicker, have more features, etc... And as pointed out by others, distributed social networks have existed for probably about ten years now. And yes, the fact that the author chose to publish this pompous trite on medium is laughable.
  - return0 11y ago
    The big shift to mobile, however, means that people can no longer use their computers to host a server. Napster would probably not achieve critical mass nowadays.
api 11y ago
Use whatever works. Use the present to build the future.
1_800_UNICORN 11y ago
Regardless of my opinion about the article itself, your message reminded me of this great quote from Tom Morello of Rage Against The Machine: "When you live in a capitalistic society, the currency of the dissemination of information goes through capitalistic channels. Would Noam Chomsky object to his works being sold at Barnes & Noble? No, because that's where people buy their books. We're not interested in preaching to just the converted. It's great to play abandoned squats run by anarchists, but it's also great to be able to reach people with a revolutionary message, people from Granada Hills to Stuttgart."
nickpsecurity 11y ago
There exist alternatives to get the content out in a way they control. Yet, they sure as hell aren't using them. If they won't, why would they expect most users that care less to use even more complex stuff for social networks and such? Substantiates my main comment here quite nicely. Just from a source I didn't expect. ;)
ourcat 11y ago
Exactly. Bring back WebRings!

+1. And you read it because you're visiting hackernews (also central, private, for-profit). It's a systemic problem. That's why we need new tools that let us operate outside that system.

striking 11y ago
But how would I discover content if I didn't use HN? Is there a way to aggregate and rank content without an authoritative server? Also, HN isn't for-profit (although YC is). Like, yeah, it's not a non-profit, but it's not designed to make any money either.
- reitanqild 11y ago
  > Is there a way to aggregate and rank content without an authoritative server? Something like RSS: Pick up all posts tagged such and such from these users. I've thought a bit about this and if we really wanted to we could get really far with just a few hundred lines of code as well as some html templates. Problem is, most people like facebook and instagram :-/
  - true_religion 11y ago
    RSS doesn't really have a method for 3rd parties to rank content, does it? The thing about HN is voting and comments, both of which require manual moderation to be effective.
    - quikoa 11y ago
      Couldn't the moderation be distributed as well? Pick the moderators you want and the posts are filtered with their moderation actions.
      - reitanqild 11y ago
        Agree, I could share (a subset of) my sources as could you. We could even automate it so if my post reader notices several of my sources following another source it will ask me if I want to look at or follow that source, etc.
  - eximius 11y ago
    Then 'most people' aren't your target audience. That doesn't mean there isn't a well sized target audience.
- hackuser 11y ago
  Usenet / NNTP
  - striking 11y ago
    That's federated, which is a different kind of decentralized than the one implied in the article. Federated systems are less centralized, but still require regular clients to trust the system they are federated with.
Typhon 11y ago
I'm not sure what kind of new tools we need ? All the tools to create personal websites existed more than 20 years ago. They haven't disappeared. If anything they're probably cheaper, easier to find and to configure now, and also, more diverse, slicker, have more features, etc... And as pointed out by others, distributed social networks have existed for probably about ten years now. And yes, the fact that the author chose to publish this pompous trite on medium is laughable.
- return0 11y ago
  The big shift to mobile, however, means that people can no longer use their computers to host a server. Napster would probably not achieve critical mass nowadays.

api 11y ago

Use whatever works. Use the present to build the future.

1_800_UNICORN 11y ago

Regardless of my opinion about the article itself, your message reminded me of this great quote from Tom Morello of Rage Against The Machine: "When you live in a capitalistic society, the currency of the dissemination of information goes through capitalistic channels. Would Noam Chomsky object to his works being sold at Barnes & Noble? No, because that's where people buy their books. We're not interested in preaching to just the converted. It's great to play abandoned squats run by anarchists, but it's also great to be able to reach people with a revolutionary message, people from Granada Hills to Stuttgart."

nickpsecurity 11y ago

There exist alternatives to get the content out in a way they control. Yet, they sure as hell aren't using them. If they won't, why would they expect most users that care less to use even more complex stuff for social networks and such? Substantiates my main comment here quite nicely. Just from a source I didn't expect. ;)

ourcat 11y ago

Exactly. Bring back WebRings!