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The artist (or the article) suggests that the pictures he took on the metro are the 'real' person, whereas the pictures on the social site are the 'ideal' perso

by larrik 11y ago

The artist (or the article) suggests that the pictures he took on the metro are the 'real' person, whereas the pictures on the social site are the 'ideal' person. I'm not so sure. I think its very possible that the person in the social network photographs is actually far closer to the person they really are than the photo of them riding alone on the subway.

blakesterz 11y ago
>> whereas the pictures on the social site are the 'ideal' person. Maybe it's that the picture on the web was chosen. Someone put thought into that, they said "oh hey I look good here", it's kinda like an ideal, or at least an above average view of themselves.
- anotheryou 11y ago
  Of course my profile pic is a chosen ideal of myself. But you know i chose it and it depicts how I want to be seen. This says much more about me, than me monday morning or after a long of work, bored, alone, with the worst lighting conditions (blueish light from my mobile screen from below and neon lights from too far above).
- pbhjpbhj 11y ago
  Just like in other social situations, people idealise themselves at work or when out with friends rather than presenting an evenly balanced image of their inner self. It's more surprising when people "overshare" and detail intimate information about themselves IME. Who looks through photos to choose to preserve and doesn't pick the one's in which they look "better", doubly so when sharing those photos in public?
JackFr 11y ago
Further, the artist is clearly curating what he shows and what he doesn't and likely has his own message.
- bigiain 11y ago
  To be fair, he's pitching this as an art project, not a piece of social media or privacy research. Of _course_ he's curating the output to maximise his art's impact. (I really like this sort of "subversive art", that has deeply important educational aspects showing people how the world really is in interesting ways...)
fapjacks 11y ago
I don't think we are very good barometers for what kind of people we are. This is why having a confidant/BFF is so important.
sp332 11y ago
I thought exactly the same - and the photos chosen for the article don't really back up the point either. The pairs look like the same "person" to me, not one real and one fake. Anyway I don't know anybody who busts out their truest expression of self to ride the subway.
- tom_mellior 11y ago
  > The pairs look like the same "person" to me, not one real and one fake. I seem to be alone in this, but... they don't even look like the same person to me. Do we have any confirmation that the pairs show the same person? About 10 million Russian men look like the guys in the second pair of photos.
  - funkdobiest 11y ago
    I have a friend from Czech who looks just like that guy. I was wondering the same.
  - burkaman 11y ago
    I think they just picked the two most striking examples for that article. Look at the rest here: https://birdinflight.com/ru/vdohnovenie/fotoproect/06042016-face-big-data.html https://birdinflight.com/ru/vdohnovenie/fotoproect/06042016-... Most of them are clearly the same person.
    - aab0 11y ago
      I dunno. Some of them clearly are because you can see they have moles in the same place and stuff like that, but a bunch leave me dubious. For example, that woman with the dyed white hair: the hair looks much frizzier/curlier in one than the other. And some I wonder how the face algorithm could possibly have matched them up - the guy in the parka vs the soldier don't even have the same facial hair, never mind how the parka fuzz obscures most of his head. (And you can't see more than a quarter of the next woman's face!) I wonder how much of this matching was manual.
      - 11y ago
morganvachon 11y ago
> I'm not so sure. I think its very possible that the person in the social network photographs is actually far closer to the person they really are than the photo of them riding alone on the subway. That's how I see it too, but that may be tempered by my personality. When I'm on public transit or in a crowd, I do my best not to stand out (which is difficult being 6'4" and 240lbs) but when I'm around people I know, I will smile and have fun. When I go to a concert alone, I'm also a bit closed off and tend to dress blandly, but if I go with a friend or a group I'm more lively and interactive, and dressed to suit the music. It's all about being comfortable with those around you, at least for me. So yes, on the subway I'm the dull guy in the jeans and t-shirt, and on social media I'm almost always with friends in a photo so I'm smiling and having fun. Nothing out of the ordinary in these photos if you ask me.
a3n 11y ago
Art can make you think or feel, and this art certainly makes me imagine, regardless of the artist's intended message.

by larrik 11y ago

blakesterz 11y ago

>> whereas the pictures on the social site are the 'ideal' person. Maybe it's that the picture on the web was chosen. Someone put thought into that, they said "oh hey I look good here", it's kinda like an ideal, or at least an above average view of themselves.

anotheryou 11y ago
Of course my profile pic is a chosen ideal of myself. But you know i chose it and it depicts how I want to be seen. This says much more about me, than me monday morning or after a long of work, bored, alone, with the worst lighting conditions (blueish light from my mobile screen from below and neon lights from too far above).
pbhjpbhj 11y ago
Just like in other social situations, people idealise themselves at work or when out with friends rather than presenting an evenly balanced image of their inner self. It's more surprising when people "overshare" and detail intimate information about themselves IME. Who looks through photos to choose to preserve and doesn't pick the one's in which they look "better", doubly so when sharing those photos in public?

JackFr 11y ago

Further, the artist is clearly curating what he shows and what he doesn't and likely has his own message.

bigiain 11y ago
To be fair, he's pitching this as an art project, not a piece of social media or privacy research. Of _course_ he's curating the output to maximise his art's impact. (I really like this sort of "subversive art", that has deeply important educational aspects showing people how the world really is in interesting ways...)

fapjacks 11y ago

I don't think we are very good barometers for what kind of people we are. This is why having a confidant/BFF is so important.

sp332 11y ago

I thought exactly the same - and the photos chosen for the article don't really back up the point either. The pairs look like the same "person" to me, not one real and one fake. Anyway I don't know anybody who busts out their truest expression of self to ride the subway.

tom_mellior 11y ago
> The pairs look like the same "person" to me, not one real and one fake. I seem to be alone in this, but... they don't even look like the same person to me. Do we have any confirmation that the pairs show the same person? About 10 million Russian men look like the guys in the second pair of photos.
- funkdobiest 11y ago
  I have a friend from Czech who looks just like that guy. I was wondering the same.
- burkaman 11y ago
  I think they just picked the two most striking examples for that article. Look at the rest here: https://birdinflight.com/ru/vdohnovenie/fotoproect/06042016-face-big-data.html https://birdinflight.com/ru/vdohnovenie/fotoproect/06042016-... Most of them are clearly the same person.
  - aab0 11y ago
    I dunno. Some of them clearly are because you can see they have moles in the same place and stuff like that, but a bunch leave me dubious. For example, that woman with the dyed white hair: the hair looks much frizzier/curlier in one than the other. And some I wonder how the face algorithm could possibly have matched them up - the guy in the parka vs the soldier don't even have the same facial hair, never mind how the parka fuzz obscures most of his head. (And you can't see more than a quarter of the next woman's face!) I wonder how much of this matching was manual.
    - 11y ago

morganvachon 11y ago

> I'm not so sure. I think its very possible that the person in the social network photographs is actually far closer to the person they really are than the photo of them riding alone on the subway. That's how I see it too, but that may be tempered by my personality. When I'm on public transit or in a crowd, I do my best not to stand out (which is difficult being 6'4" and 240lbs) but when I'm around people I know, I will smile and have fun. When I go to a concert alone, I'm also a bit closed off and tend to dress blandly, but if I go with a friend or a group I'm more lively and interactive, and dressed to suit the music. It's all about being comfortable with those around you, at least for me. So yes, on the subway I'm the dull guy in the jeans and t-shirt, and on social media I'm almost always with friends in a photo so I'm smiling and having fun. Nothing out of the ordinary in these photos if you ask me.

a3n 11y ago

Art can make you think or feel, and this art certainly makes me imagine, regardless of the artist's intended message.