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Denizens provide more to a country than just paying income taxes. I believe in immigration not as an attempt to maximize tax revenue and minimize by tax burden.

by bko 11y ago

Denizens provide more to a country than just paying income taxes. I believe in immigration not as an attempt to maximize tax revenue and minimize by tax burden. But because an open accepting society and mobility is in the best interest of all humans.

seanmcdirmid 11y ago
These people have a massive amount of money that they basically stole from the rest of the country (and its environment) and now are trying to get it out while they can. China's GDP growth looks great until you realize how unevenly that growth occurred, and what the real cost was. And now they will basically use the west to protect those gains from being reclaimed when everyone realizes how bad the damage is. That sucks. I have no problem with immigration. I'm almost an immigrant (ironically enough, in China). But I see the things that make life here so hard (unfairness, corruption) exported back to my home, you are damn right I'm not going to be happy about it.
- bko 11y ago
  China's poverty has fallen rather drastically over time, as it has throughout the rest of the world[0]. The ill begotten gains of the ultra wealthy are only so because of the state control. Perhaps you're getting upset at the symptoms rather than the cause. [0] http://povertydata.worldbank.org/poverty/country/CHN http://povertydata.worldbank.org/poverty/country/CHN
  - seanmcdirmid 11y ago
    China's poverty has fallen, but there are still plenty of people living in dirt filled basements (there is an ant tribe even in my apartment building). The red families control around 40%+ of the economy, the air is unbreathable, the water is toxic, a crappy 90sqm apartment goes for $1 million. China has a lot of wealth, if it was evenly divided, if more attention was paid to the environment, if laws were actually enforced consistently....it would already be a first world country. That it isn't is basically because of these people.

by bko 11y ago

seanmcdirmid 11y ago

These people have a massive amount of money that they basically stole from the rest of the country (and its environment) and now are trying to get it out while they can. China's GDP growth looks great until you realize how unevenly that growth occurred, and what the real cost was. And now they will basically use the west to protect those gains from being reclaimed when everyone realizes how bad the damage is. That sucks. I have no problem with immigration. I'm almost an immigrant (ironically enough, in China). But I see the things that make life here so hard (unfairness, corruption) exported back to my home, you are damn right I'm not going to be happy about it.

bko 11y ago
China's poverty has fallen rather drastically over time, as it has throughout the rest of the world[0]. The ill begotten gains of the ultra wealthy are only so because of the state control. Perhaps you're getting upset at the symptoms rather than the cause. [0] http://povertydata.worldbank.org/poverty/country/CHN http://povertydata.worldbank.org/poverty/country/CHN
- seanmcdirmid 11y ago
  China's poverty has fallen, but there are still plenty of people living in dirt filled basements (there is an ant tribe even in my apartment building). The red families control around 40%+ of the economy, the air is unbreathable, the water is toxic, a crappy 90sqm apartment goes for $1 million. China has a lot of wealth, if it was evenly divided, if more attention was paid to the environment, if laws were actually enforced consistently....it would already be a first world country. That it isn't is basically because of these people.