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How would this be more useful than a machine w/ 4gigs of ram and 4 cores? Most of the time the hungriest process on a personal machine is the browser, and most

by gkya 11y ago

How would this be more useful than a machine w/ 4gigs of ram and 4 cores? Most of the time the hungriest process on a personal machine is the browser, and most of the human time it uses is wire(less) bound, so even if one had the machine you describe, he'd hardly notice.

qaq 11y ago
Look at how many threads your browser is using and this at a time when very few sites are using web workers.
brianwawok 11y ago
My browser alone uses more than 4GB
- agumonkey 11y ago
  Not if you use dillo.
  - coldtea 11y ago
    And how is that relevant, given that less than 0.1% use it, or wish to use it?
    - agumonkey 11y ago
      Sorry, only kidding.
- JoBrad 11y ago
  I'm not sure that's a bad problem, as long as your OS (and your browser) reallocate memory efficiently when required. There's no need to treat RAM like your hard drive, and keep a certain amount free all of the time. Also, your browser won't use 4GB of RAM if that's all you have.
agumonkey 11y ago
I didn't say that. I just responded to the comment about having PB of data as the norm. You cannot handle such scale without adequate processing power and intermediate RAM. By the way, I'm writing this on a core 2 duo, which is my main computer. So trust having 4 cores already looks like overkill to me :)
- gkya 11y ago
  Agreed. Actually I sport a Core 2 Duo too (Asus X51RL, "15.4 inches Widescreen Gateway to the World of Entertainment" https://www.asus.com/Notebooks/X51RL/ https://www.asus.com/Notebooks/X51RL/) :) 4/8 cores is useful if one does a lot of things with VMs, but above that it's mostly either a server or an auction.
  - agumonkey 11y ago
    For desktop usage, excluding advanced media creation, the only thing a 2006 processor lacks is a decent GPU to delegate rendering stuff.
imtringued 11y ago
Don't underestimate javascript bloat.
- gkya 11y ago
  I don't underestimate javascript bloat, I blast it with a no-js browser (xombrero).
coldtea 11y ago
>How would this be more useful than a machine w/ 4gigs of ram and 4 cores? Most of the time the hungriest process on a personal machine is the browser, and most of the human time it uses is wire(less) bound, so even if one had the machine you describe, he'd hardly notice. Speak for yourself. Anybody doing 3D, audio work (64 channels all loaded with 2-3 UAD plugins running native), and lots of other things will notice. Even consumers. Advanced 3D gaming of 2030, virtual reality interactive porn, etc. Even something as humble as local speech recognition and AI processing for real time assistant. The thing is whether we can make those cpus/tech -- not whether we can use their power when we make them.
- gkya 11y ago
  > The thing is whether we can make those cpus/tech -- not whether we can use their power when we make them. We use up so many natural resources in such process that it's not worth it if it is not practically useful. > Speak for yourself. I really don't like this imperative style. You're responding to a stranger who has not said nothing offensive in his comment. > Anybody doing 3D, audio work (64 channels all loaded with 2-3 UAD plugins running native), and lots of other things will notice. I said "a personal machine" in my comment. A machine which is used to browse the web, take notes, watch movies, write documents, etc. 3D and high-performance audio is not every-day, personal computer use, it's a specialised case. > Advanced 3D gaming [...] virtual reality interactive porn [...] local speech recognition and AI processing [...] I recall saying useful.
  - eropple 11y ago
    > I really don't like this imperative style. You're responding to a stranger who has not said nothing offensive in his comment. You're projecting your needs on those of a complete stranger. That's going to get some folks hot under the T-shirt. > I recall saying useful. You know what "advanced 3D gaming" also means? It means being able to broaden one's horizons via virtual tourism (and if you think I'm reaching, go use a Vive) without paying tens of thousands of dollars t go be there in person. You know what local speech recognition and AI processing means? It means being able to do all that cool shit Google does without exposing yourself to risk. These might not be things that are useful to you. They are useful to others. You're projecting, and you're kind of being a jerk about it, and that's why you got the response you did. Oh, and while we're at it: 3D unambiguously and without question is "every-day personal computer use," and higher-end audio would be if people actually had the hardware for it. Everyone plays video games now. You might blurf from your very, very high horse that that's not useful, but literally tens of millions of people derive value from that right now and that number's only going to go up. Please don't be That Guy.
TylerE 11y ago
Already there are some games that are using upwards of 10gb of RAM (potentially). More and more games are shipping either as 64bit strongly preferred or even 64bit only.

by gkya 11y ago

qaq 11y ago

Look at how many threads your browser is using and this at a time when very few sites are using web workers.

brianwawok 11y ago

My browser alone uses more than 4GB

agumonkey 11y ago
Not if you use dillo.
- coldtea 11y ago
  And how is that relevant, given that less than 0.1% use it, or wish to use it?
  - agumonkey 11y ago
    Sorry, only kidding.
JoBrad 11y ago
I'm not sure that's a bad problem, as long as your OS (and your browser) reallocate memory efficiently when required. There's no need to treat RAM like your hard drive, and keep a certain amount free all of the time. Also, your browser won't use 4GB of RAM if that's all you have.

agumonkey 11y ago

I didn't say that. I just responded to the comment about having PB of data as the norm. You cannot handle such scale without adequate processing power and intermediate RAM. By the way, I'm writing this on a core 2 duo, which is my main computer. So trust having 4 cores already looks like overkill to me :)

gkya 11y ago
Agreed. Actually I sport a Core 2 Duo too (Asus X51RL, "15.4 inches Widescreen Gateway to the World of Entertainment" https://www.asus.com/Notebooks/X51RL/ https://www.asus.com/Notebooks/X51RL/) :) 4/8 cores is useful if one does a lot of things with VMs, but above that it's mostly either a server or an auction.
- agumonkey 11y ago
  For desktop usage, excluding advanced media creation, the only thing a 2006 processor lacks is a decent GPU to delegate rendering stuff.

imtringued 11y ago

Don't underestimate javascript bloat.

gkya 11y ago
I don't underestimate javascript bloat, I blast it with a no-js browser (xombrero).

coldtea 11y ago

>How would this be more useful than a machine w/ 4gigs of ram and 4 cores? Most of the time the hungriest process on a personal machine is the browser, and most of the human time it uses is wire(less) bound, so even if one had the machine you describe, he'd hardly notice. Speak for yourself. Anybody doing 3D, audio work (64 channels all loaded with 2-3 UAD plugins running native), and lots of other things will notice. Even consumers. Advanced 3D gaming of 2030, virtual reality interactive porn, etc. Even something as humble as local speech recognition and AI processing for real time assistant. The thing is whether we can make those cpus/tech -- not whether we can use their power when we make them.

gkya 11y ago
> The thing is whether we can make those cpus/tech -- not whether we can use their power when we make them. We use up so many natural resources in such process that it's not worth it if it is not practically useful. > Speak for yourself. I really don't like this imperative style. You're responding to a stranger who has not said nothing offensive in his comment. > Anybody doing 3D, audio work (64 channels all loaded with 2-3 UAD plugins running native), and lots of other things will notice. I said "a personal machine" in my comment. A machine which is used to browse the web, take notes, watch movies, write documents, etc. 3D and high-performance audio is not every-day, personal computer use, it's a specialised case. > Advanced 3D gaming [...] virtual reality interactive porn [...] local speech recognition and AI processing [...] I recall saying useful.
- eropple 11y ago
  > I really don't like this imperative style. You're responding to a stranger who has not said nothing offensive in his comment. You're projecting your needs on those of a complete stranger. That's going to get some folks hot under the T-shirt. > I recall saying useful. You know what "advanced 3D gaming" also means? It means being able to broaden one's horizons via virtual tourism (and if you think I'm reaching, go use a Vive) without paying tens of thousands of dollars t go be there in person. You know what local speech recognition and AI processing means? It means being able to do all that cool shit Google does without exposing yourself to risk. These might not be things that are useful to you. They are useful to others. You're projecting, and you're kind of being a jerk about it, and that's why you got the response you did. Oh, and while we're at it: 3D unambiguously and without question is "every-day personal computer use," and higher-end audio would be if people actually had the hardware for it. Everyone plays video games now. You might blurf from your very, very high horse that that's not useful, but literally tens of millions of people derive value from that right now and that number's only going to go up. Please don't be That Guy.

TylerE 11y ago

Already there are some games that are using upwards of 10gb of RAM (potentially). More and more games are shipping either as 64bit strongly preferred or even 64bit only.