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Footage of the landing starts at 35:47, taken from nearby flying drone. https://youtu.be/7pUAydjne5M?t=35m47s https://youtu.be/7pUAydjne5M?t=35m47s Absolutely
by codeulike 11y ago
Footage of the landing starts at 35:47, taken from nearby flying drone.
https://youtu.be/7pUAydjne5M?t=35m47s https://youtu.be/7pUAydjne5M?t=35m47s
Absolutely surreal footage, a 25 storey rocket just drifts into shot at a crazy angle and plants itself.
- state 11y agoNot sure what to make of the chanting of 'U-S-A U-S-A' after that. That sound just reminds me of a Trump rally these days. But otherwise: that was really fantastic. Edit: It's actually quite a sweet display of patriotism. I sound more negative than I mean to be. Perhaps it was just funny to realize that the context I'm most familiar with the sound of that chant is from reporting on the current campaign.
- mulmen 11y agoIt's patriotism, we should be proud our country has a company that is doing this. Donald Trump has nothing to do with it.
- nitrogen 11y agoPatriotism is offensive iff it becomes jingoistic or if it comes at the expense of a global humanistic perspective. The chanting seems a bit over the top, especially for a private company mission to serve the International Space Station.
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- nitrogen 11y agoPatriotism is also offensive if, when politely questioned, it leads to knee-jerk reactions. It has the potential to become just another source of unnecessary emotional conflict and short-circuited thinking.
- nodesocket 11y agoSince when did being patriotic become offensive behavior? I for one am proud of the accomplishment and realize that it took many people from lots of different countries, but the reality is SpaceX, Tesla, Google, Microsoft, Facebook, Twitter the list goes on are all American companies. American and proud.
- randyrand 11y agoChanting USA demeans and marginalizes other countries. Its quite offensive to people to support one country over another. /s
- vanattab 11y agoSo do you think we should boycott the Olympics? Should I give the North Korean regime same level of "support" as South Korean regime?
- tlrobinson 11y agoI think you missed the sarcasm indicator (/s). (That doesn't mean it was particularly funny, though)
- pilsetnieks 11y ago> it took many people from lots of different countries In a indirect way it did, (standing on the shoulders of giants, heritage of the people working there, etc,) however, unlike the other companies you mentioned, SpaceX only hires American citizens (because of government contracts and ITAR.) So it's basically an all-American effort.
- hoorayimhelping 11y agoAfter a decade and a half of wars and general malaise at home, this kind of thing reminds me that we're still moving forward as a country and a society and that we still have the capacity do really hard things. I'm so proud of the SpaceX team for representing America like that. Way to go, anyone at SpaceX who's reading this.
- danbruc 11y agoThat was also a bit irritating for me. I am from Germany and celebrating Germany became a bit frowned upon for obvious reasons. Besides during the World Cup, of course. Nonetheless it seems a bit strange to me, the country has really not too much to do with this success notwithstanding that, to some extend, it provided the environment that enabled this success. Shouting »SpaceX!« would seem more appropriate to me but probably still feel a bit strange. And last but not least the first thing that I associated with this were the celebrations after the death of Osama bin Laden which I think were pretty inappropriate.
- nodesocket 11y agoI don't understand this German mentality (my heritage is German). It is like German's are ashamed to be German. WWII was a long time ago, it is ok to be patriotic and proud of your collective country.
- danbruc 11y agoI came across the slogan »Proud not to be proud.« recently and really like it. I really like Germany and am glad that I can live here. But for me being proud has a lot to do with personally having done something for the thing to be proud of. I have zero stakes in the beautiful landscape, my influence on the society, economy and whatnot is negligible. Why would I be proud of the country? I also think that nation states are probably not the best way forward but that will take us to far now.
- icebraining 11y agoSome Americans agree with you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIG4-03Gru4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIG4-03Gru4
- usrusr 11y agoPride in personal achievements has a catch: it's only available to those who actually did achieve something. Those who did not still have a desire for pride and "group pride" (be it national, ethnic, religious, supportership of some sports team or even just membership in some specific profession) fills that gap. As much as i despise patriotic displays, i still think they can offer great value as a lesser evil when even more dangerous group pride identities (e.g. religious or ethnic radicalization) are just waiting to fill the gap for those in need. Not only the american, but also the french or british group identities are much more accessible than for example german (much of national identity defined by difficult relationship with history, newcomers don't share that heritage) or belgian (much of national identity defined by being of either flemish or wallonian ethnicity, newcomers are neither).
- endgame 11y agoI'm Australian but FWIW some friends and I were talking about this over breakfast. I personally think that while it's a bit jarring from the outside, Americans celebrating the rebuilding of American spaceflight capabilities makes a lot of sense. Also, it would probably be worse to have official communication policy restricting what people could chant on livestreams.
- HelloMcFly 11y agoI think this is a large part of it. The Apollo program, and to a lesser extent the Space Shuttles, are not just historical events, but events that had a major cultural impact on the country. You cannot divorce the nationalistic response of people involved in this endeavor from the connection America's space program has to historical achievements we celebrate throughout our history classes in school. The successes of the spaceflight industry were always, from the beginning, tied to a sense of nationalism given the context in which it arose and delivered success. It's a unique industry in American culture, and I'm not surprised it's hard for individuals from other countries to immediately understand.
- buss 11y agoA similar thing happened at every Space Shuttle launch I was lucky enough to go to. I wouldn't read too much into it. A few people get really excited and proud to be American when they see a display of some impressive literally-earth-shaking technology (the noise from a shuttle launch was amazing!). They start chanting it and the rest of the crowd joins in. It's a nice moment of unity even if it is within the confines of national identity.
- BurningFrog 11y agoAmericans have no other chant to use. It's U-S-A or nothing. Maybe we should get one, but for now, that's it.
- HerpDerpLerp 11y agoAmerica FUCK yeh!?
- nialv7 11y agoElon Musk always states the mission of SpaceX is to "make human a multiplanet species". This makes me always see the advancement of SpaceX advancement of humanity, not just a single country. But judging from the U-S-A chanting, not everyone at SpaceX thinks this way.
- mikeash 11y agoOr maybe they just don't see patriotism as incompatible with that view. I'm pretty unpatriotic, but I still recognize that people can be patriotic and aim for the advancement of all humanity.
- SpaceX_Tech 11y agoI would be hesitant to make assumptions on how SpaceX employees feel about this accomplishment as it relates to human advancement based on a simple three letter chant that is quite common in the US. I can certainly understand how those from other countries, particularly Europe, might view the USA chants as over the top nationalism, but I think it's a stretch to assume that those taking part in it somehow view today’s accomplishments as solely the purview of Americans. I was born in Eastern Europe and while I immigrated to the US at an early age, I have at times felt uncomfortable by the more visible aspects of American patriotism. Since it was brought up in a post above, I found the widespread celebrations of UBL’s death to be distasteful and jingoistic, and this is coming from someone who has deployed to Afghanistan and Iraq multiple times. I too feel that it can, in certain contexts, come off as overly nationalistic. Context is, as usual, important though, and in this context I view the SpaceX USA chants as pretty harmless. I also find the insinuation that the employees taking part in these chants are guilty of nationalistic fervor to be insulting. There are many employees here, myself included, who didn’t have the good grace to be born in the US but have nonetheless adopted America as our homes and are now allowed to work on some of the coolest space launch vehicles in existence. The fact that some might express themselves in this manner doesn’t bother me, even if it isn’t something I would do myself. I for one don’t partake in the USA chants, although this arguably has as much to do with my relatively low key personality as it does with a conscious choice to refrain from outward shows of patriotism. I’m the kind of person that would politely clap at a touchdown or slam dunk rather than yell and cheer. One of my supervisors however, a Canadian citizen and US permanent resident, has a much more boisterous personality than I do and always joins in these chants. I know one or two Brits here who do as well. It’s also important to understand the atmosphere during these launches. SpaceX isn’t exactly the easiest place to work, I just finished a 58 hour work week ending in a 12 hour shift before launch, I was not alone in this regard. People are tired, stressed, and somewhat on edge. While the live feed featuring the employees may look staged or choreographed, I can assure you that their reactions aren’t. The moments after a successful launch are an incredible relief and you can feel the energy in the building. The excitement is infectious and if that boils over into chants of U-S-A then so be it. I’m also not sure what could be done to prevent this from happening. Again, those from other countries might view these chants as strange, but they really are very innocuous here in the US. I don’t see it as overly nationalistic, but again, context is key. Even as someone who doesn’t actively take part in them, if we got word from above that these chants were no longer allowed or discouraged, I would be extraordinarily pissed. Employees are already sacrificing a lot for this mission, they don’t need their spontaneous celebrations micromanaged. SpaceX is an American company, located within the borders of the US, staffed largely by US citizens or permanent residents, funded largely(exclusively?) by US taxpayers, investors and companies, relying primarily on a US educated workforce, and 60 years of American led R&D in space technology. If all of that culminates in a successful launch and first stage recovery on a freakin’ ship in the middle of the ocean, I for one, can certainly excuse the USA chants. I hope that my post doesn't come across as overly defensive or sensitive, it has been a long week and I certainly may be guilty of being overly emotional, but it’s always somewhat disheartening to see a thread relating to a successful SpaceX mission turn into an admonishment of perceived American nationalism.
- paulsutter 11y agoI would imagine many of the employees come from the aerospace industry, meaning defense contractors. South of LA down to Orange County is a bit of a red patch in a blue state. Just an observation.
- ivan_ah 11y agoMy interpretation of the "USA-USA" chanting was is relation to the decreasing funding for NASA[1] and the fact that many recent missions to the ISS have been launched from Baikonur in Russia[2]. I hear the "USA-USA" chanting as in we're back in the game (and we can reuse our stage 1s!). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budget_of_NASA#/media/File:NASA-Budget-Federal.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budget_of_NASA#/media/File:NAS... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baikonur_Cosmodrome https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baikonur_Cosmodrome
- TrevorJ 11y agoNothing wrong with being proud of your country when an American company does something worth being proud of.
- Keyframe 11y agoIt was a surprising thing to do. Unexpected and kind of funny. Reminded me of Taiwan #1 chant. However, it's not out of place. Considering modern history, if anything, this is where chant like that should happen. Something people of US of A should be proud of. (they made it, they're paying for it!)
- blktiger 11y agoThanks for posting that. Amazing!
- jobu 11y agoVery impressive with the ocean swells tossing the drone ship around as well. Also, I liked the running commentary between the various reporters. It almost felt like a sporting event.
- nitrogen 11y agoDoes anyone know if they analyze the wave patterns on the droneship and send that data to the rocket so it can tilt or time its landing to match? Or is it just the current tilt and position that's taken into account? Or is barge tilt even considered?
- matt-attack 11y agoI never understood all the fuss about the the movement of the barge until I saw this landing. Even after it landed I was nervous it would tip over given the apparent motion of the barge!
- ridgeguy 11y agoIt looks really dramatic, but it might not be close to tipping, really. I'd guess the fuel is very nearly depleted at landing. This would put the center of mass somewhere fairly low on the stage, close to the engines which are dense, heavy things. This means that the landed stage isn't as susceptible to toppling as it looks. At minimum, it would have to tilt so far that the CoM went beyond the line connecting the ends of two adjacent landing legs and tilt along a radius that crossed the midpoint of that line. Other tilt vectors would require more tilt to overturn the stage, based on CoM & landing leg geometry. Wind loads could assist a tipover. The stage is ~12 feet diameter, it's really tall, it presents lots of sail area and it's pretty light at landing. Wind force would be a fun estimation to do.
- iamcreasy 11y agoAfter landing, around 36m56s, the cold gas thrusters fired at the top, and I think it's to keep the rocket steady. https://youtu.be/sh8V0COrrzE?t=36m56s https://youtu.be/sh8V0COrrzE?t=36m56s
- dang 11y agoWe added that timestamp to the URL above. Thanks!
- jfroma 11y agoThis link was working for me before but not know maybe they shrunk the video. This does work https://youtu.be/7pUAydjne5M?t https://youtu.be/7pUAydjne5M?t
- avparker 11y agoNot sure if this changed, but at 35m 47s they just show a static shot of the rocket on the drone ship. The 'live' footage of the landing was earlier in the video (27m 20s). https://youtu.be/7pUAydjne5M?t=27m20s https://youtu.be/7pUAydjne5M?t=27m20s Awesome to watch.