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Windows 10 Insider Preview Build 14316 Released
- Zikes 11y agoMulti-desktop window pinning is a nice addition. I've usually got YouTube or Netflix running on a second monitor, and switching desktops always meant those windows would disappear. Now that I can pin them, virtual desktops will be usable for me again.
- josteink 11y agoIndeed. This has been my main complaint with virtual desktops so far. I've had to resort to dirty hacks with cmd'er and screen to get the same cmd sessions across virtual desktops. This should definitely make things smoother.
- thomnottom 11y agoOne of the reasons I finally gave up on Windows was the horrible way they dealt with multiple monitors - especially with Windows 8. Oddly enough I've switched to a single monitor setup anyway.
- kyriakos 11y agowhat would also be nice is being able to drag and drop windows on virtual desktops in the WinKey-TAB screen.
- godzillabrennus 11y agoRemember when Apple said hell had frozen over when they launched iTunes for Windows? This is that moment for Microsoft.
- acqq 11y agoIsn't it "give them bash, take them their privacy away"? https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/aug/13/windows-10-sends-identifiable-data-microsoft-despite-privacy-settings https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/aug/13/windows-1... Isn't it still unknown what is sent to Microsoft even if the user says "don't" in the settings? What was with "everything the user types is copied to MSFT" servers?
- m3Lith 11y agoYeah, that's why projects like https://github.com/10se1ucgo/DisableWinTracking https://github.com/10se1ucgo/DisableWinTracking exist.
- pdkl95 11y agoSo you only support privacy for people with enough of a technical background that they know that kind of tool exists and how to install it? When you work around this kind of problem with technical solutions you are telling Microsoft that they can get away with spying on most people.
- destroyer954 11y agoIf you are an insider then sure, you're sending a lot of data.
- acqq 11y agoApparently this happens also by "normal users" who specifically turn off whatever can be turned off? http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/even-when-told-not-to-windows-10-just-cant-stop-talking-to-microsoft/ http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/even-w... The most interesting part: "We configured our test virtual machine to use an HTTP and HTTPS proxy (both as a user-level proxy and a system-wide proxy) so that we could more easily monitor its traffic, but Windows 10 seems to make requests to a content delivery network that bypass the proxy."
- tacos 11y ago"seems to"
- MLR 11y agohttps://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/mt577208%28v=vs.85%29.aspx#BKMK_MoreUTC https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/mt577208%28v=vs.... As far as I'm aware this is as much as they've publicly released regarding telemetry, as for the "keylogger" thing I thought that was just a conspiracy theory.
- Kenji 11y agoI'm sorry, I don't understand. What exactly is the problem with this release?
- Karunamon 11y agoI think he was saying that, had anyone suggested 2-3 years ago that you'd be running a natively supported Linux stack in Windows, you'd have been asked to share whatever you're smoking.
- 1and2equals0 11y agoSome fixes are just too small to ever be mentioned: - "We polished the Wi-Fi flyout UI and fixed an issue where text entry into a Wi-Fi password field was noticeably top-aligned rather than centered."
- rocky1138 11y agoI love reading stuff like this. I disagree!
- newjersey 11y agoIs this implemented in xaml? Oh how I wish more of Windows was free and open source.
- Aleman360 11y agoA lot of the Windows 10 UI is built with UWP XAML. Source: I work on it.
- algorithmsRcool 11y agoYou may not be able to answer this, but has memory usage ballooned after replacing the traditional dialogs with xaml ones?
- mistermann 11y agoAh good so I can ask a question: is there a way to turn off forced updates and reboots (reverting back to how it used to be when it would just nag you but never actually invoke the update automatically)?
- newjersey 11y agoJust curious: why do you want that? What is the use case for you?
- vomitcuddle 11y agobut i want zsh
- josteink 11y agoIt's just Ubuntu. Apt-get zsh and then install oh-my-zsh (because I know you want that too).
- colemickens 11y agoNot sure if you're joking, but zsh will more than happily run on "Bash on Windows".
- jandrese 11y agoChances are you can apt-get install zsh and then chsh just like you always do with an Ubuntu install.
- api 11y agoNothing here about privacy or visibility into where my data is going. ("Situational awareness" in security parlance.)
- godgod 11y agoHere’s what’s new in Build 14316: Static entry added to hosts file pointing directly to NSA.GOV. Why would anyone use this obvious SPYWARE? The entire OS is designed to kill your privacy and send your data to the NSA. No thanks!
- merb 11y agoActually I enabled Insider (Fast) on the 4th I'm still on the normal Build is there something else I need to get a Insider Build?
- sp332 11y agoIf you go to "check for updates" in the control panel, and poke around the advanced settings, I remember there being a button to check for new builds.
- merb 11y agoActually that says I'm up to date (Build 10586 which isn't a Insider Build)
- tacos 11y agoIt's not an instant thing. They roll it out gradually.
- MLR 11y agoIf you upgraded recently Windows keeps files that allow it to downgrade to the old version, you can check by going to Disk Clean-up then select the UAC protected option in there and it might have some upgrade files you can delete. Aside from that I think you just have to give it some time.
- WorldMaker 11y agoThere's been a couple of forced re-enrollments into the Insider Build rings with each of the big "service pack" updates like 10586. Try triple checking that under Advanced it does still show "Fast Ring"?
- fhood 11y agoMy personal crazy theory is that Microsoft is distancing itself from the windows platform and moving towards a more Unix based system. I suspect that Microsoft is finding that moving forwards on their original platform is untenable in the long run, and that a Unix like system will improve their product and also be cheaper to develope and maintain. I might be overly optimistic though.
- Touche 11y agoI think that's wishful thinking, at this time they are translating Linux syscalls to the Windows equivalent. This adds maintenance burden, it doesn't remove it. Now if they were to have a dual kernel I could see the argument that they are sunsetting the Windows kernel.
- tacos 11y agoMicrosoft's ongoing, massive internal investment in the NT kernel speaks for itself. They already ship multiple kernels. And they ship software that runs on multiple kernels. SQL Server on Linux is announced. Most of the chatter here does not relate to where the puck is headed.
- ZanyProgrammer 11y agoConsidering a lot of Windows says admin types can't even program in Powershell (IME) I can't imagine a lot of people wanting to learn BASH (and probably Perl, Pyrhon, etc)
- skc 11y agoHell of an assumption there. How many Windows sys admins are there in the world what percentage of them do you know?
- tacos 11y agoThe success of GitHub's shell, native versions of Python and Perl, plus MSYS and warty Cygwin prove that there's demand. This is a better solution for many of those cases. Giving more people access to common code and frequently-updated, open-source utilities -- how can you find fault with it?
- sker 11y agoI vowed to never "upgrade" to Windows 10, but this really makes it tempting. Damn you, Microsoft.
- mistermann 11y agoThere are other things to consider, like losing all your unsaved work when Windows decides to run updates and reboot without your consent (I'm assuming they haven't reversed course on this, it's happened to me numerous times although I'm not on the Insider preview program. )
- lanaius 11y agoIt's not optimal but you can create your own policy settings that stop automatic update downloads and installs. It will still bug you a LOT about it though.
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- maratd 11y agoYou can specify the time when the computer will reboot. Like the middle of the night.
- turbohedgehog 11y agoYou can defer the reboot for a few days but after a while, it will prevent you from putting it off and will finally force a reboot.
- jakub_g 11y agoAnother crazy workaround is to mark your wifi as metered in its config. Then Windows will never automatically download the updates at all. I enabled it when after saying "no thanks for the reboot now", it self-rebooted 10 minutes later
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- symlinkk 11y agoGlobal dark theme? Bash? Windows 10 is starting to look really awesome.
- MichaelGG 11y agoI am not sure it's actually global. Seems to apply to the basically-useless Metro apps. (For instance, the calc app in W10 is missing key functionality from Win8.) If it could modify actual W32 apps then it'd be cool.
- WorldMaker 11y agoVery glad to see the global themes make their way up into Desktop from Mobile. Hopefully it may mean more desktop apps with good Dark theme support.
- eggy 11y agoThe Dark theme, Bash, are all good, but it's the new emojis that had me from the start; I can't wait to update my emojicode and emojilisp projects ;)
- simfoo 11y agoDo you think Microsoft will listen to us privacy-aware people and add a permanent kill-switch for all cortana/telemetry related traffic? Serious question, because somehow I doubt they will backpedal on this sweet sweet data source. I won't be installing Windows 10 before this happens, but I also realize that at some point they will stop providing Windows 8 security updates.
- raesene9 11y agoWhilst it's not as easy as it should be, you can disable some/all of that data gathering via Group policy /setup settings. It's a bit of a pain to do but once done should make it quite a lot better...
- wtallis 11y agoDon't some of the group policy settings explicitly say that the "everything off" option is only functional on Enterprise editions of Windows?
- KirinDave 11y agoHonestly, it's really unlikely. The simple truth is that the other major platforms absolutely do this and you can prove they do. I honestly think it's really only a vocal and tiny minority that is genuinely concerned about things like core telemetry being handed back over. Microsoft's doubling down on this position with their UWP which makes for binary sharing between mobile, tablet and phone. The expectation on Phones (maybe unstated? I'm always surprised we don't hear a single peep from the privacy people on it) is that your apps are sending home telemetry for everything you do. No vendor prevents this, no vendor even really enforces any restrictions on gross EULAs. And as someone managing multiple mobile apps in the marketplace and doing code commits to one, let me tell you. What users expect is impossible without sufficient telemetry. Our dev tools on mobile are, at best, hacky garbage compared to the great stuff we have on the browser. So all we can do is observe issues in the field. Unless we can convince the market to substantial raise the price point of software back up to the days when it was $60 in 2005 dollars, people are going to have to accept SOME sort of telemetry and subsidization. We cannot build the apps as cheaply as the market expects otherwise. I know this isn't your problem, but maybe it should be?
- minionslave 11y agoHow do you write extensions for Edge? I haven't seen any documentation about that.
- WorldMaker 11y agoMicrosoft's still curating extensions so I don't think the documentation is generally available yet. Some of these early extensions are ports of Chrome extensions (like the Reddit Enhancement Suite mentioned in the article), so it's clear Chrome-like HTML/JS extensions are the main, probably sole, option.
- ryao 11y agoI suspect X servers that worked for the Windows Subsystem for UNIX Applications could be used here too. I will not be surprised to read a report of an old Windows application that is incompatible with Windows 10 running in Wine in Ubuntu on Windows 10. There are bound to be at least a few in this category. Presumably, audio could be implemented by using a named pipe or network socket talk to an audio daemon too. The work on the Linux side should have already been done by PulseAudio while there seems to be some sort of port for older versions of Windows that might be a starting point for the Windows side: http://downloads.tomsguide.com/pulseaudio-pulse-audio,0301-10662.html http://downloads.tomsguide.com/pulseaudio-pulse-audio,0301-1... If the X server supports GLX (which I read XMing and Cygwin/X support), we might even see 3D Linux games running on Ubuntu on Windows and presumably, people would publish benchmarks for the Linux versions of things like Unigine Oilrush against the Windows versions. I would expect the Linux versions to be at a disadvantage, but a surprise there would be hilarious.
- JorgeGT 11y agoCygwin's version of PulseAudio exists, I've used it for minimodem in windows. I hope that in addition with XMing or Cygwin/X we could have working GUI Ubuntu apps in Windows!
- JonathonW 11y agoX over TCP works (to something like Cygwin's X server, or an X server on a remote Linux box), but it's of somewhat limited utility right now since terminal emulators don't work (broken pty support). No idea on GLX, though, although I'd be surprised if it works well; IME XMing and Cygwin/X are both on the slow side, which wouldn't be great for performance in 3D games.
- akadien 11y agoThrow tomatoes, but I am liking what I see from Microsoft these days. Ubuntu on Windows is a big deal to me.
- tdkl 11y ago"Cortana Cross-Device Features: Starting today, we will be releasing new features to Insiders on an ongoing basis that keeps you in perfect sync across all the devices where you use Cortana to stay connected and never miss a beat throughout your day. " So much data. And users will want this in droves (specially since Pushbullet went premium).
- acqq 11y ago> And users will want this in droves Of course. What can possibly go wrong always having copied all the work the user does to some servers? > keeps you in perfect sync Actually keeps the company servers "in perfect sync" with the work of the user. And some of us worry about the telemetry and copying what user types -- it's actually presented/accepted as a big feature? I understand that I'm probably a minority, for me, it's scary.
- KirinDave 11y agoWhat I don't understand is why these same complaints are cheerfully accepted at every Microsoft thread, but never uttered in Android threads, iOS threads, or OSX threads. Researchers have shown the same sort of key mirroring is at play there. Especially for OSX, where it is just ridiculous how eager it is.
- butz 11y agoAnd control panel is still a mess.
- mwcampbell 11y agoNo news about the status of the desktop bridge for UWP, a.k.a. Centennial. I wonder when more of us will get to play with it. But in the meantime, we can at least watch a video about it from this year's BUILD conference here: https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/bridges/desktop https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/bridges/deskto...