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Vivaldi Browser 1.0
- wangii 10y agoI hate it alway trying to use my "confidential information stored in Chrome Safe Storage" in my keychain.
- tonyskate 11y agoUnless it's libre, I won't even care. When will people start to give more importance to the license terms than a shiny new UI?
- SirNoobsAlot 11y agoI'd be curious to see a comparison of this with the "big 3" (Chrome, Firefox, IE). And playing devil's advocate, why bother to make yet another browser?
- ZenoArrow 11y agoThe main focus of Vivaldi appears to be in improving the user experience. You can read more here: https://vivaldi.com/?lang=en https://vivaldi.com/?lang=en
- Aoyagi 11y agoThe only browser I'm comparing it with is Opera 12 as Vivaldi is supposed to be its successor.
- nperez 11y agoI don't really have fragmentation concerns because it's basically Chrome with an Opera-like front end. I did a benchmark comparison and they were roughly equal, with Vivaldi winning some and Chrome winning some. I'm liking it so far. If you aren't crazy about Chrome's UI, it's worth a shot. Hope to see more privacy features, but right now the settings are the same as in Chrome.
- V-2 11y agoOnly unlike Chrome, Opera or Firefox, it doesn't support tearing tabs off the window (to spawn a new window)
- mingabunga 11y agoI think it's good to make another browser. Trying to improve on existing things benefits everyone. Just downloaded it, it's got some nice touches I've not seen in other browsers.
- Gustomaximus 11y agoGiven the browser is one of the most used pieces of software, and we increasingly live our digital lives in to, the more competition the better. When was the last time you saw significant innovation in a browser? It seems a while, and I dont believe we're run out of things to improve. More competition is awesome. And dont forget competition encourages the big browser companies to work together to maintain interoperability, not branching off to 'their software' trying to create a competitive moat or simply because they want to push the world in one direction with monopolistic power. If people have options it stops this typically negative behavior happening.
- pavs 10y agoUnless I am missing something. We have seen some major improvements and innovations in the browsing world from major competition even since Chrome entered the market. Your definition of innovation might be different, but both IE and Firefox have gone through major changes for the better ever since chrome entered the scene.
- Gustomaximus 10y agoI guess this comes to ones definition of recent. Chrome launched 8 years ago - how fast time goes! I dont know how closely you followed browser news at that time but there was a constant fight for features and faster browsing in the few years before/after that launch. And it's not like nothing has happened since that time but it does seem to have slowed significantly the last few years. I'd love to see that passion return to the wider market. There must be so many features we cant even think of that will become 'how did I live without that' yet invented for such a core piece of software category.
- pavs 10y agoMajor rewrite and redesign takes time even for the world largest software company, in the past 8 years or so both MSFT IE and Firefox has gone through major rewrites in their js engine, rendering engines and UI. Chrome on its part forked webkit so that they can make changes and add feature faster, which was not possible before. Making browsing and maintaining your own rendering engine is not easy which is why we don't have a lot of competition in the this market.
- Etheryte 11y agoI'm yet to understand the hype. Perhaps there are users out there to whom it is appealing, but personally I don't see the need for the features they bring out like notes in the browser or stacking tabs next to one another. These are things I can already do using standalone applications or a window manager. I would rather a browser be simple and most importantly stable and fast.
- dvdgsng 11y agoThere is no need to "understand the hype", as a) there is none and b) it mostly comes down to personal preferences. When you're happy with your current workflow using other tools - that's totally fine, good for you. But, you know, there are people out there who are really looking forward to an alternative Browser-UI that 1) is very fast, 2) has a lot of configuration/features the others lack and 3) does not require you to install buggy/slow/tracking extensions for each and every single thing you want to change. e.g. having a vertical tab list out of the box is great, even when it still lacks some nice features from Tree Style Tabs.
- dang 11y agoRelated article at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11437095 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11437095.
- staticelf 11y agoI like the idea of a new browser, but I won't switch from my beloved Firefox that has all the addons and stability I need. Is it using webkit or something else?
- onion2k 11y agoOne of the things that makes Vivaldi unique is that it is built on modern web technologies. We use JavaScript and React to create the user interface with the help of Node.js and a long list of NPM modules. Vivaldi is the web built with the web. By the looks of things Vivaldi is Chromium with a skin written using React, but there's no links to a repo or any API documentation as far as I can tell. The extensions page in the browser suggests it uses Chromium's extensions API which rather defeats the "Customize Everything" tag line that's all over the website. Is it possible to load in my own React components to add to the browser chrome some how?
- Aoyagi 11y agoFWIW there are bits of the code here, but I don't know what is the extent of it https://vivaldi.com/source/ https://vivaldi.com/source/
- Etheryte 11y agoThe browser is proprietary, but includes open source components, without checking, what you've linked to above is probably just the open source bits.
- hobarrera 10y agoI'm honestly curious as to who'd move to a proprietary browser in 2016 given all the history of the last couple of decades!
- nice_byte 11y agoIts UI is made with Javascript. As if I don't already have a bad enough time dealing with sloth websites, they have to pile it on. Not even worth a try.
- foota 11y agoJavascript is plenty fast, I don't see why you shouldn't use it to power a browser.
- Etheryte 11y agoIt may be fast, but I don't see a scripting language winning out compiled native code on speed. Don't get me wrong, I don't think the speed difference is large enough that it matters in something as simple as a basic UI.
- nice_byte 11y agoIt's not just about the speed of executing Javascript code. The UI is rendered with the browser's rendering engine. I've used Atom and it was a disaster, so I no longer trust any desktop applications written using that technology. I think that if you're going to write a desktop application, you should either use your native platform's APIs or pick a GUI toolkit that can give you a native look and feel. It'll give you a fast UI that looks and behaves consistently with the rest of the user's environment.
- oneeyedpigeon 11y agoPlease don't write off an entire technology because of one slow early release of an example of it. There should be better ways of utilising native UIs, I'll give you that.
- clouddrover 10y ago> The UI is rendered with the browser's rendering engine. Yes, the performance will matter. But as Servo demonstrates there are a lot of speed gains to be made with the right design. See this talk by Patrick Walton about Servo's WebRender: https://air.mozilla.org/bay-area-rust-meetup-february-2016/#@1m53s https://air.mozilla.org/bay-area-rust-meetup-february-2016/#... And this short demo comparing Chrome, Firefox, Safari, and Servo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0hYIRQRiws https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0hYIRQRiws
- shimon_e 11y agoI use to use vivaldi on my old computer due to performance issues with chrome. The killer feature I remember was stackable tabs. Going to reinstall it again to see what is new.
- mhd 11y agoNow all we need is a more browser-centric variant of Electron, and we'll get all kinds of these Chrome "distributions". Here's one in Ember, here's one in Angular, here's one with vertical tabs...
- geniium 11y agoNo incognito mode? Bye!
- wanderer2323 11y agoHow does it enable the user to block adds? Built-in? Addon?
- tauchunfall 11y agoYou can use the extensions from the Chrome store.
- dkns 11y agoIt's using chrome addons so you can install uBlock as normal.
- rplnt 11y agoI'm glad there's something. Chrome simply sucks[1]. Firefox is complicated[1], and even if you invest time, there are too many things wrong[1]. There's not much else (as in different). I tried Vivaldi many times over the last year, and my conclusion is that I find it unusably slow. They take direction I like, but they chose technology that is bad (but cheap). Maybe it will get better, I surely hope so. Another nitpick of mine is that it uses WebKit (or whatever it's called now) and I hate using that.. but I do... because browser market (and perhaps web itself as a result) is in a really bad state. What makes it different (and better in my eyes)? It's a browser usable out of the box, without any extensions. Not to say there shouldn't be any extensions, just that the basic functionality and configuration should be there. 1. For me obviously, personal preference and all.
- piyush_soni 11y agoJust curious - for you, personally, what makes Firefox complicated? Just want to know people's reasons about what makes software look complicated.
- rplnt 11y agoFirefox itself isn't. But configuring the UI and getting some functionality in is. (Some) extensions are huge bundles of functionality, affecting things all over the place. It's not a fault of firefox, but firefox caused it by not having very basic functionality built in (namely tab ordering, cycling, ...). Then there are frustrating things like how do I move the reload/stop button to the left? Why do have quite powerful UI customization when it doesn't allow such a simple operation?
- piyush_soni 11y agoYeah, IIRC, you used to be able to move the Reload/stop button. They stopped supporting it for some reason. I use add-ons for other tab related things that affect me.
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- tmikaeld 11y agoWhat about security? Adding node.js and react on the user interface may open up security issues If it's not running in a sandbox, I'm worried about issues like these: http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/04/noscript-and-other-popular-firefox-add-ons-open-millions-to-new-attack/ http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/04/noscript-and-other-p... Plus it's not open source so we can't check for vulnerabilities.
- piyush_soni 11y agoI'd definitely want a new browser, but one which promises it won't slow down like hell after a few days of use until I open a 100 tabs. The stackable tabs features is nice, but I'd prefer someone creates a Firefox extension to do the same.
- piyush_soni 11y agoJust installed Vivaldi to try anyway. Slow out of the box - plain window interaction feels delayed and it's a fresh install! Will try after a few releases.
- pingec 11y agoA month ago when I tried Vivaldi, it seemed quite slow to load websites. But it could also be the blinking progress bar that tricks me to have that impression. Anyone else? Also, waiting to see the promised mailer app. I still use Opera Mail for my mail but now that it is in the Chinese hands, I do not feel comfortable updating it.
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- V-2 11y agoIts main selling point is supposed to be customizability, but I can't even customize predefined mouse gestures :) And there are no mouse gestures allowing to navigate between tabs (only back and forth in history, which is kind of pointless to me as that's already covered by mouse buttons). I also can't disable that annoying gap between the tab bar and the top edge of the screen...
- rayascott 11y agoIf you want to help me use the web, don't just build a browser. Build a web user's toolkit that helps me customise my workflow and experience with the various sites and their services. It's an integrated web, but where are the "browsers" that acknowledge this reality and orchestrate instead of simply providing a read-only experience. Sure, Safari has made a start on iOS with plugins, but it should go much further.
- ponyous 11y agoI really like it for a few reasons: - On OSX all browsers except Safari consume battery like crazy - In Vivaldi you can use "hibernate background tabs" and it will take a lot less resources - Vertical tabs - I tend to have a lot of tabs open (Hibernate feature is even more handy in this case) - Tab group tiling - I can have 2 websites open side by side in 1 browser Window
- tmikaeld 11y agoYou can do this with Chromium Extensions: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/tabs-outliner/eggkanocgddhmamlbiijnphhppkpkmkl https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/tabs-outliner/eggk... https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/the-great-suspender/klbibkeccnjlkjkiokjodocebajanakg https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/the-great-suspende... The great suspender is open source, Tabs outliner is not - but it doesn't require access to all your site content (It will require access to browser history though).
- oneeyedpigeon 11y ago> Tab group tiling - I can have 2 websites open side by side in 1 browser Window I feel like window-management is pretty much broken at this point. I can now have multiple windows, containing multiple tabs, containing multiple ... what would you call those things? Mini-windows? Pages? Panes? Anyway, we also have tiling window managers, OSX's very limited equivalent, full-screen modes that are very slightly different from maximised windows, Chrome doing its own weird UI for ripping a tab out of its window and merging it back again, Firefox's tab groups, one ordering for app-cycling, another order for window-cycling, one-or-the-other order for tab-cycling... It's all getting a bit too much.
- ponyous 11y agoThis is why you pick and use one browser. I like the difference and choice to pick whichever functionality (browser) I want. > I feel like window-management is pretty much broken at this point. I can now have multiple windows, containing multiple tabs, containing multiple ... what would you call those things? Are you saying that we should do all "window" management on OS level? I want to maximise screen estate, having 2 windows side by side with vertical tabs will just take way too much space on a laptop screen. Compare the following and tell me which one do you prefer: http://imgur.com/4rxsF3G http://imgur.com/4rxsF3G http://imgur.com/X4FsuAB http://imgur.com/X4FsuAB
- FX61 10y agoWhy should i use Vivaldi when i also can use Firefox and Classic Theme restorer? Let's see... Vivaldi is Open Source Chromium with a bundled closed source app (Want to see that is true? Open Vivaldi task manager, kill the webview Vivaldi process, and UI disappears, but browser keeps running) to create the UI which is thanks to how it is created highly exploitable. No thanks, go away!
- konart 10y agoTo those who a curious about "why?" = this is from some of the guys who worked making Opera and for those (but not only for) who liked it more than other browsers. Not only opera had a very nice engine of its own (not anymore in Vivaldi, though), but also great functionality and ways for customization
- farresito 10y agoUnfortunate that I can't run it on Arch Linux: segmentation fault. Failed to initialize database. I don't have plans to move away from Firefox, but it's always nice to see people attempt new things.
- orkoden 10y agoI loved Opera back in the 3.x to 7.x days. Vivaldi's UI and features reminds me of it. After using it for an hour for my regular browsing, I noticed it uses a lot of CPU for some websites. I saw over 100% for pages where Safari chugs along with 25%. That's enough to get the fans spinning.
- Arry22 10y agoI don't get why one would pick this over Chrome Ultron? It's used by NASA and major enterprises. It's super fast and virus free. What makes Vivaldi better than Chrome Ultron?
- tilfin 10y agoSpring has come! Thing it is good that there is such a different choice.
- hobarrera 10y agoVivaldi 1.0 32bit DEB Vivaldi 1.0 64bit DEB Vivaldi 1.0 32bit RPM Vivaldi 1.0 64bit RPM Where's the good old .tar.gz for all those NOT using deb/rpm-based systems?
- xjpis250 10y agowhat is the relation between Vivaldi, Opera, and Qihoo?