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Given Norris's political views I'm not sure that comparison is a something I would want.

DonHopkins 11y ago
I agree, and find it downright creepy, cowardly and disappointing how many people would downvote you for disagreeing with Norris's right-wing [1] anti-gay [2] political views [3], without saying why they agreed with Chuck Norris. How about Chuck Norris's brave brogrammer fans reply under their own name telling us what they like so much about his political views, instead of downvoting anonymously? Because if you have some anti-gay bigotry you want to spread, at least put your name on it, since that's what Chuck Norris would do. [4] [1] http://www.rightwingwatch.org/category/people/chuck-norris http://www.rightwingwatch.org/category/people/chuck-norris [2] http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jun/27/chuck-norris-anti-gay-scouts http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jun/27/chuck-norris-an... [3] http://www.smosh.com/smosh-pit/articles/5-reasons-its-no-longer-cool-chuck-norris http://www.smosh.com/smosh-pit/articles/5-reasons-its-no-lon... [4] http://www.newnownext.com/chuck-norris-hired-by-anti-gay-group-marriage-sacred-union-between-man-and-woman/12/2014/ http://www.newnownext.com/chuck-norris-hired-by-anti-gay-gro...
- codingdave 11y ago
  This is a site about technology, not politics. I downvoted the original comment because it is not a good match for the topic or tone of Hacker News. I downvoted your comment because your tone is even more aggressive and antagonizing, and again, not on topic.
  - DonHopkins 11y ago
    The article itself made his religion an issue by stating that "He also preaches at Tilehurst Methodist Church and within the Reading and Basingstoke Methodist circuit", so I think it's on topic to ask if he hold the same religious views that the title of the article suggests he does. Can't reply to the reply so editing to add this: Of course I'm familiar with it. But the BBC and non-American readers may not be familiar with the real facts about him, which have overshadowed his mythology in many American's minds, because of his work as a spokesman for the National Organization for Marriage [1], which has negatively affected many people's lives. And as the wikipedia page you link to says, Chuck Norris himself hopes that "such statements will interest people in real facts about him contained in his literary works". I think an uncritical light-hearted reference to Chuck Norris (or Bill Cosby, for that matter) being a great role model sounds dated and awkward, in light of his more recent political activity, which he states is more important than his mythology, and which he wants people to learn about. And it's not about calling out every opposing political view, or that he has an R by his name. It's about calling out bigotry, and that he's a bigot, who the title of this article unfortunately casts as a positive role model. [1] http://www.newnownext.com/chuck-norris-hired-by-anti-gay-group-marriage-sacred-union-between-man-and-woman/12/2014/ http://www.newnownext.com/chuck-norris-hired-by-anti-gay-gro...
    - tbrake 11y ago
      It doesn't suggest he does. You (edit: and the OP) may be unfamiliar with it but there's been an online mythologizing Chuck to be some kind of ultimate badass.[0] To say someone is the "Chuck Norris of X" is not to equate the whole persona of the person to Mr. Norris but to imply extraordinary skill, toughness etc. I feel it was obvious the title was made in a very light hearted manner and as the piece is uncritical and makes no mention of Norris' views I can't agree that a literal comparison should be made. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Norris_facts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Norris_facts
      - Dagwoodie 11y ago
        Not to mention how calling out every opposing political view from famous people chills discussion and promotes an echo chamber. Fine if it's technically relevant but I'm sure Chuck has a lot of views most of this forum doesn't agree with but there's no reason in my mind to go on a witch hunt every time someone with an R by their name is mentioned here in any positive light.
    - tbrake 11y ago
      > Of course I'm familiar with it. Then there's no point in continuing this. No one's confused by what the headline meant, you've just purposefully read it in bad faith to shoehorn in your complaints about Chuck Norris. > ".. have overshadowed the mythology in _many American's_ minds" It's not necessarily either or. Many Americans disagree with his political views but recognize that calling someone the "Chuck Norris of X" does not mean that person shares those views. edit: as an aside, it is funny how little weight (as a rule) the phrase "Many x do y" carries. Many Americans believe Elvis is still alive. Does that really mean anything? No. I mean honestly, you're arguing just to argue aren't you? No one's called him a role model, you're extrapolating that out so that someone else has to unwind it. This is diversionary and rude.
    - DanBC 11y ago
      Asking if Jon Skeet is a homophobe seems really freaking rude in a nice thread about someone who is (by all appearances) humble and very helpful to many people. If you can find him saying "heterosexuals should read this obscure information about timezones. Homosexuals should go burn though" then sure, come back and plenty of people will pile on. Here's what he's said in the past, which is easily findable with a simple Google search: http://skeetfaith.blogspot.co.uk/2007/10/coming-out-of-belief-closet.html http://skeetfaith.blogspot.co.uk/2007/10/coming-out-of-belie... > That, for me, says it all. I believe that homosexual love is on a par with heterosexual love. It can be as close, warm, loving, supportive, self-sacrificing and fruitful as heterosexual love. That doesn't mean I have some rose-tinted vision of every gay couple being blissfully happy, of course, any more than I would for straight couples. > What's important to me (in terms of faith) is that I can't see how God could have anything against the kind of love I see exhibited by the gay couples I'm proud to count as my friends. > That's why I support gay marriage, rather than just civil unions. To many people it may make no practical difference, but it makes a big difference in emphasis. While there are two tiers, however legally equivalent, there will always be an implied moral inferiority of civil unions - and I find that repulsive. I believe God is happy to bless any loving, informed, consensual, monogamous relationship, no matter what genders are involved. He seems like a really nice person, and you should be ashamed for your mean, nasty, attack.
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dboreham 11y ago
bbc people may not be as clued in to that aspect of Norris as US folks. Or they may regard it as comedy.

I agree, and find it downright creepy, cowardly and disappointing how many people would downvote you for disagreeing with Norris's right-wing [1] anti-gay [2] political views [3], without saying why they agreed with Chuck Norris. How about Chuck Norris's brave brogrammer fans reply under their own name telling us what they like so much about his political views, instead of downvoting anonymously? Because if you have some anti-gay bigotry you want to spread, at least put your name on it, since that's what Chuck Norris would do. [4] [1] http://www.rightwingwatch.org/category/people/chuck-norris http://www.rightwingwatch.org/category/people/chuck-norris [2] http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jun/27/chuck-norris-anti-gay-scouts http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jun/27/chuck-norris-an... [3] http://www.smosh.com/smosh-pit/articles/5-reasons-its-no-longer-cool-chuck-norris http://www.smosh.com/smosh-pit/articles/5-reasons-its-no-lon... [4] http://www.newnownext.com/chuck-norris-hired-by-anti-gay-group-marriage-sacred-union-between-man-and-woman/12/2014/ http://www.newnownext.com/chuck-norris-hired-by-anti-gay-gro...

codingdave 11y ago
This is a site about technology, not politics. I downvoted the original comment because it is not a good match for the topic or tone of Hacker News. I downvoted your comment because your tone is even more aggressive and antagonizing, and again, not on topic.
- DonHopkins 11y ago
  The article itself made his religion an issue by stating that "He also preaches at Tilehurst Methodist Church and within the Reading and Basingstoke Methodist circuit", so I think it's on topic to ask if he hold the same religious views that the title of the article suggests he does. Can't reply to the reply so editing to add this: Of course I'm familiar with it. But the BBC and non-American readers may not be familiar with the real facts about him, which have overshadowed his mythology in many American's minds, because of his work as a spokesman for the National Organization for Marriage [1], which has negatively affected many people's lives. And as the wikipedia page you link to says, Chuck Norris himself hopes that "such statements will interest people in real facts about him contained in his literary works". I think an uncritical light-hearted reference to Chuck Norris (or Bill Cosby, for that matter) being a great role model sounds dated and awkward, in light of his more recent political activity, which he states is more important than his mythology, and which he wants people to learn about. And it's not about calling out every opposing political view, or that he has an R by his name. It's about calling out bigotry, and that he's a bigot, who the title of this article unfortunately casts as a positive role model. [1] http://www.newnownext.com/chuck-norris-hired-by-anti-gay-group-marriage-sacred-union-between-man-and-woman/12/2014/ http://www.newnownext.com/chuck-norris-hired-by-anti-gay-gro...
  - tbrake 11y ago
    It doesn't suggest he does. You (edit: and the OP) may be unfamiliar with it but there's been an online mythologizing Chuck to be some kind of ultimate badass.[0] To say someone is the "Chuck Norris of X" is not to equate the whole persona of the person to Mr. Norris but to imply extraordinary skill, toughness etc. I feel it was obvious the title was made in a very light hearted manner and as the piece is uncritical and makes no mention of Norris' views I can't agree that a literal comparison should be made. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Norris_facts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Norris_facts
    - Dagwoodie 11y ago
      Not to mention how calling out every opposing political view from famous people chills discussion and promotes an echo chamber. Fine if it's technically relevant but I'm sure Chuck has a lot of views most of this forum doesn't agree with but there's no reason in my mind to go on a witch hunt every time someone with an R by their name is mentioned here in any positive light.
  - tbrake 11y ago
    > Of course I'm familiar with it. Then there's no point in continuing this. No one's confused by what the headline meant, you've just purposefully read it in bad faith to shoehorn in your complaints about Chuck Norris. > ".. have overshadowed the mythology in _many American's_ minds" It's not necessarily either or. Many Americans disagree with his political views but recognize that calling someone the "Chuck Norris of X" does not mean that person shares those views. edit: as an aside, it is funny how little weight (as a rule) the phrase "Many x do y" carries. Many Americans believe Elvis is still alive. Does that really mean anything? No. I mean honestly, you're arguing just to argue aren't you? No one's called him a role model, you're extrapolating that out so that someone else has to unwind it. This is diversionary and rude.
  - DanBC 11y ago
    Asking if Jon Skeet is a homophobe seems really freaking rude in a nice thread about someone who is (by all appearances) humble and very helpful to many people. If you can find him saying "heterosexuals should read this obscure information about timezones. Homosexuals should go burn though" then sure, come back and plenty of people will pile on. Here's what he's said in the past, which is easily findable with a simple Google search: http://skeetfaith.blogspot.co.uk/2007/10/coming-out-of-belief-closet.html http://skeetfaith.blogspot.co.uk/2007/10/coming-out-of-belie... > That, for me, says it all. I believe that homosexual love is on a par with heterosexual love. It can be as close, warm, loving, supportive, self-sacrificing and fruitful as heterosexual love. That doesn't mean I have some rose-tinted vision of every gay couple being blissfully happy, of course, any more than I would for straight couples. > What's important to me (in terms of faith) is that I can't see how God could have anything against the kind of love I see exhibited by the gay couples I'm proud to count as my friends. > That's why I support gay marriage, rather than just civil unions. To many people it may make no practical difference, but it makes a big difference in emphasis. While there are two tiers, however legally equivalent, there will always be an implied moral inferiority of civil unions - and I find that repulsive. I believe God is happy to bless any loving, informed, consensual, monogamous relationship, no matter what genders are involved. He seems like a really nice person, and you should be ashamed for your mean, nasty, attack.
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dboreham 11y ago

bbc people may not be as clued in to that aspect of Norris as US folks. Or they may regard it as comedy.