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Teens should go to bed earlier. Parents should make sure they don't watch TV or use mobile devices late at night. Problem solved. @downvoters: what's wrong? go

by frik 11y ago

Teens should go to bed earlier. Parents should make sure they don't watch TV or use mobile devices late at night. Problem solved. @downvoters: what's wrong? going to bed at 8pm or 9pm is common for childs and teens.

grahamburger 11y ago
I really, really tried to do that as a teen. I watched little or no tv anyway do that was easy and this was before the smart phone era so that wasn't an issue either. I would go to bed and lay in bed wide awake for hours, finally fall asleep, wake up, hit snooze seven times and drag in to class 20 minutes late. Looking back I honestly think I would have done much better in school and maybe even made it through college if I could have shifted my sleep schedule a few hours. I also firmly believe that that's really no one's problem but mine, so I'm not complaining, but my anecdotal experience suggests to me that some kids really would do better with later schedules a opposed to earlier bedtimes.
superuser2 11y ago
Your natural sleep/wake cycle is biologically determined and known to shift later into the night in adolescence. Sending a teenager to bed earlier does not mean they will sleep well, or at all, in the period between "bedtime" and their natural sleep phase. The temporal location of sleep, not just its duration, matters. >http://www.wsj.com/articles/teens-need-later-start-to-school-day-doctors-group-says-1408939263 http://www.wsj.com/articles/teens-need-later-start-to-school...
- Poprishchin 11y ago
  Yes, adolescents undergo changes in melatonin levels due to puberty. This leads to delayed phase preference - teenagers naturally want to sleep from around 1 am to 10 am.
jacalata 11y ago
When I was a teen we didn't have television or mobile devices and I was still rarely asleep before midnight. What a mind-bogglingly simplistic perception of the world you have.
- frik 11y ago
  > When I was a teen we didn't have television or mobile devices and I was still rarely asleep before midnight. So you stay up late at night and wonder why you barely wake up early in the morning? So shocking. Maybe because you stayed up too long the nights before? There is a reason why people go with the natural day-night cycle. If you life a different life-style for what ever reason, feel free to do it, everybody has different preferences, but don't write BS and get personal. It's well known from various studies about shift workers that working a different cycle than the natural day-night isn't that healthy in the long term.
  - Normal_gaussian 11y ago
    I think you will find the studies relate to placing different factors of a persons circadian rhythms in contention with each other. Such studies show that the natural balance of the sleep portion of the wake/sleep cycle shifts towards 1-10 am for young men and becomes more resilient. The "day/night" cycle is the external cycle that interacts only to tune the sleep/wake cycle. Suggesting that the sleep/wake cycle and the day/night cycle should be aligned, and that such is natural, is incorrect. I'll link you some papers when I get home. However, in the mean time, I suggest you re-read some of those studies you are claiming to habe read.
    - terinjokes 11y ago
      I'm also interested in reading these papers.
  - Dylan16807 11y ago
    You claimed that a removal of TV and mobile devices would solve the problem. Oh look it doesn't. How you can turn that into an implication that other people are being foolish is beyond me.
  - jacalata 11y ago
    You may be imagining things - I didn't mention any problem with getting up early?
dhimes 11y ago
I guess I'm an outlier. I went to bed usually before 10:00 pm and got up early. I could change my schedule (for summer months, for example, I would sleep in). But it meant I didn't know what happened on the cool TV shows and I couldn't see late-night (East coast). Not something I let bother me. I think it's more about discipline than people give credit for. Farmers, arguably rooted in schedules that developed before electricity and TV, are up very early (even I had to adjust when I worked on a farm- but I did). We would get up near or even before sunrise so that we were ready to work when it got light. So I agree with frik. I have a feeling this as much about discipline and self control as anything else.

by frik 11y ago

grahamburger 11y ago

I really, really tried to do that as a teen. I watched little or no tv anyway do that was easy and this was before the smart phone era so that wasn't an issue either. I would go to bed and lay in bed wide awake for hours, finally fall asleep, wake up, hit snooze seven times and drag in to class 20 minutes late. Looking back I honestly think I would have done much better in school and maybe even made it through college if I could have shifted my sleep schedule a few hours. I also firmly believe that that's really no one's problem but mine, so I'm not complaining, but my anecdotal experience suggests to me that some kids really would do better with later schedules a opposed to earlier bedtimes.

superuser2 11y ago

Your natural sleep/wake cycle is biologically determined and known to shift later into the night in adolescence. Sending a teenager to bed earlier does not mean they will sleep well, or at all, in the period between "bedtime" and their natural sleep phase. The temporal location of sleep, not just its duration, matters. >http://www.wsj.com/articles/teens-need-later-start-to-school-day-doctors-group-says-1408939263 http://www.wsj.com/articles/teens-need-later-start-to-school...

Poprishchin 11y ago
Yes, adolescents undergo changes in melatonin levels due to puberty. This leads to delayed phase preference - teenagers naturally want to sleep from around 1 am to 10 am.

jacalata 11y ago

When I was a teen we didn't have television or mobile devices and I was still rarely asleep before midnight. What a mind-bogglingly simplistic perception of the world you have.

frik 11y ago
> When I was a teen we didn't have television or mobile devices and I was still rarely asleep before midnight. So you stay up late at night and wonder why you barely wake up early in the morning? So shocking. Maybe because you stayed up too long the nights before? There is a reason why people go with the natural day-night cycle. If you life a different life-style for what ever reason, feel free to do it, everybody has different preferences, but don't write BS and get personal. It's well known from various studies about shift workers that working a different cycle than the natural day-night isn't that healthy in the long term.
- Normal_gaussian 11y ago
  I think you will find the studies relate to placing different factors of a persons circadian rhythms in contention with each other. Such studies show that the natural balance of the sleep portion of the wake/sleep cycle shifts towards 1-10 am for young men and becomes more resilient. The "day/night" cycle is the external cycle that interacts only to tune the sleep/wake cycle. Suggesting that the sleep/wake cycle and the day/night cycle should be aligned, and that such is natural, is incorrect. I'll link you some papers when I get home. However, in the mean time, I suggest you re-read some of those studies you are claiming to habe read.
  - terinjokes 11y ago
    I'm also interested in reading these papers.
- Dylan16807 11y ago
  You claimed that a removal of TV and mobile devices would solve the problem. Oh look it doesn't. How you can turn that into an implication that other people are being foolish is beyond me.
- jacalata 11y ago
  You may be imagining things - I didn't mention any problem with getting up early?

dhimes 11y ago

I guess I'm an outlier. I went to bed usually before 10:00 pm and got up early. I could change my schedule (for summer months, for example, I would sleep in). But it meant I didn't know what happened on the cool TV shows and I couldn't see late-night (East coast). Not something I let bother me. I think it's more about discipline than people give credit for. Farmers, arguably rooted in schedules that developed before electricity and TV, are up very early (even I had to adjust when I worked on a farm- but I did). We would get up near or even before sunrise so that we were ready to work when it got light. So I agree with frik. I have a feeling this as much about discipline and self control as anything else.