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The car looks comparable to a Honda CRZ or a Toyota Prius (or a Subaru BRZ). They should have gone with the small-sedan form factor, but I think they believe it
by manav 11y ago
The car looks comparable to a Honda CRZ or a Toyota Prius (or a Subaru BRZ). They should have gone with the small-sedan form factor, but I think they believe it will cannibalize Model S sales.
- usaphp 11y ago> "for a luxury car" Since when is a car under 35K is considered luxury?
- jd20 11y agoIt's all relative. I think many would consider a $35k BMW a "luxury" in comparison to a $15k Honda.
- usaphp 11y agoOk, if they consider $35K BMW a luxury car, then how would they call a $90K Porshe? Or $300K Rolls-Royce?
- heptathorp 11y agoProbably "luxury car."
- manicdee 11y agoThey are luxury cars too. Luxury cars are those over the average income, basically.
- fosco 11y agoI would call the Porsche a mid-size luxury car [0] and the rolls-royce a full-size luxury care [0] and the BMW maybe an entry-level luxury car. I don't know if I agree with the naming conventions but it seems appropriate when coupled with the article on wiki [0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_classification https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_classification
- dragontamer 11y ago35k is definitely a luxury vehicle. Brand new cars like Honda Fit and Ford Focus are $15k. Nissan Maxima / Honda Accord is ~$22k starting. $35k is where BMW and Lexus start. He's still competing against the luxury segment, but "entry" luxury.
- usaphp 11y agoI disagree, bmw 3 series and basic Lexus are not "luxury" cars, they are called "Premium" cars. Luxury cars are Porshes, Maseratti, Bentley, bmw 6 series, mercedes CLS etc... Honda Fit and Ford Focus are small budget cars, Nissan maxima and accord are regular sedans. If you call bmw 3 series a luxury car - then what would you call a porshe than? Edit: Mercedec CLA is considered a luxury vehicle in a different class (just like you mentioned SUVs and trucks), it's a compact car, compact cars have a different starting price compared to the class we were talking about, thus it's considered luxury in that class.
- dragontamer 11y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_CLA-Class https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_CLA-Class The Mercedes Benz CLA starts at $32k. Its considered a luxury vehicle by everyone I know, including Wikipedia. Argue with someone else, like whoever wrote the Wikipedia article. A "luxury vehicle" is anything basically any sedan above $30k. There are a ton of vehicles below $20k, and plenty between $20k and $30k. Vans and Trucks are a bit different, because they provide extra utility and often cost $30k+. Luxury SUVs, Vans, and Trucks are closer to $40k to $50k. Most people I know don't even have new cars for crying out loud, and "new" is basically a luxury.
- rconti 11y agoI'm sorry, but luxury is relative to class. If you think a 6 series is luxury, but a 3 series is not, .... what is your definition, exactly? A 3 series is luxury because its compared to smaller generic cars, where a 6 series is ALSO luxury because it's compared to larger generic cars. I'd never call a Porsche a luxury car because I consider them sports cars, even though many of their model lines are not particularly sporty anymore. Bentley/Rolls/etc are in a whole entirely different splashy show-off league where even many billionaires wouldn't buy one, simply because they're too ostentatious. What's hilarious here is that you call the CLA (which is a bargain basement car) luxury, while a 3 series is not. Seriously, compare them. The 3er is a larger car and it's nicer. IF you're saying a CLA is luxury "in that class", then so is a 3 series. But my Golf is nicer than a CLA. Of course, it's not considered a luxury car either, which is part of the appeal :)
- tonyedgecombe 11y ago"In economics, a luxury good is a good for which demand increases more than proportionally as income rises, and is a contrast to a "necessity good", for which demand increases proportionally less than income. Luxury goods are often synonymous with superior goods and veblen goods" From Wikipedia.
- scurvy 11y agoThat's a > $600 car payment every month assuming 60 months and 3% interest. That's out of reach of most American families.
- tw04 11y agoI dunno, I see an AWFULLY lot of new pickups and SUVs on the road, and most of them are in that ballpark new if not way, way above.
- fweespee_ch 11y agoYou can buy serviceable vehicles for $15-20k that are reliable, last for a decade, and meet the critical needs in the US for a car [commute, almost all shopping trips, etc]. Adding what is effectively the price of another car ($15-20k) onto that is a luxury. Pretty much paying double the price you need to pay is something I'd consider a luxury regardless of the class of good. Source: I paid $12k for a 2 year old car. Honda Fit, etc as well are in that price range new: http://automobiles.honda.com/tools/build-price/trims.aspx?ModelID=&ModelName=Fit&ModelYear=2016 http://automobiles.honda.com/tools/build-price/trims.aspx?Mo...
- rconti 11y agoA Honda CR-Z is a compact 2-seater in the United States. A Toyota Prius is an economy sedan with a surprisingly large back seat. A Subaru BRZ is a small 4-seat sport coupe. Your comparison can't possibly be valid because it's all over the map. From what I've seen, it IS a small sedan in the vein of a 3-series of A4 (larger than a Civic, smaller than an Accord).
- robmcm 11y agoIt looks like it's a hatch-back, so wouldn't 1 Series or A3 be more fitting?
- Grishnakh 11y agoSome nitpicks: The CR-Z is a subcompact 2-seat hybrid hatchback. The Prius is a compact hybrid hatchback (NOT sedan). The BRZ is a 2+2 sport coupe (the back seat is nearly unusable).
- rconti 11y agoI was focusing on the number of doors in pointing out how the parent's post didn't make sense. Thanks for the clarification, I don't know the exact vehicle classes obviously.