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>> " then we're in for a rough period musically speaking." Come now. Recorded music is a very very recent invention. There was absolutely fantastic music befor

by axod 17y ago

>> " then we're in for a rough period musically speaking." Come now. Recorded music is a very very recent invention. There was absolutely fantastic music before, there'll be absolutely fantastic music after. I don't think it's useful to compare music to movies or games. The effort and range of skills required is completely different. Also as I say, music has been around since forever. Movies and games are a more modern invention.

mattmanser 17y ago
Recorded music is a very very recent invention. And that recorded music has meant a massive decline in paid live bands. So you can't get paid for gigging. So how are you going to get your 10,000 hours in like the beatles? You don't get resident bands in bars and pubs anymore. I don't think it's useful to compare music to movies or games. The effort and range of skills required is completely different. Aha, you think it's EASY don't you! Oh yes, anyone can be Nirvana if they grow their hair long huh? It's not, grow up. The pure fact there are so many people who wanted to be a rock star and never were is a testament to the difficulty. Also in the past movies = plays, games = Chess, backgammon, cards, etc. Plays cost money, chess boards cost money. And a poor person would never have had a chance to listen to Bach 300 years ago. All forms of entertainment have been around forever, the format changes with the times, but amazingly people always got paid. So what is your point exactly?
- axod 17y ago
  Before recorded music, people just played music for fun, or were mainly employed by very rich people to play music. If we go back to that, I don't think music as such will suffer. People create music mainly because it's fun, not because they want to be rich. You certainly do get live bands in good pubs. Find a better pub. And yes, I think creating music is far far easier than creating a movie or a modern game, where you have to organize music, lighting, casting, voices, graphics, gameplay, camerwork etc etc
  - jasongullickson 17y ago
    Having done all three, I disagree that any one is categorically more or less difficult than the other.
- warfangle 17y ago
  The bar/restaurant down the street has a down-stairs lounge area. Five or so nights a week there is free live (acoustic) music down there. Many times the same band will play the same night each week. They have fun doing it, and play for tips (not a cover). The bar opening up next door to it will have a performance space in the back. There's a place a quarter mile away that is (coffee shop | beer/wine bar | performance space | thrift store | art gallery). There's a performance space down the block in the other direction; usually they host plays. Right now a local band has been performing a play + music performance for the past month. It was sold out last night. Maybe you don't get the traditional resident bands much anymore. But here in Bushwick, local talent is playing for local residents and having a smashing time doing it. A friend's band is about to go on tour to LA with money they've saved up from doing local gigs. Bands / musical performers are hearkening back to the concept of a traveling minstrel rather than the superstar performer of the last century. It's never something you did "to get rich" - only the very lucky got that. The best performers have done it because they needed to.
- blhack 17y ago
  Aha, you think it's EASY don't you! Oh yes, anyone can be Nirvana if they grow their hair long huh? Don't be silly. If you honestly think that the same amount of time expenditure that goes into creating a video game goes into creating an album, you're insane. Look at how many albums are released every year compared to albums. Do you think this is because people don't want to make games?
- whatusername 17y ago
  To produce a song you need: a band. A recording engineer. (and possibly a song-writer). That will let you produce something on the scale of "Thriller" or :Like a Rolling Stone" or "Hey Jude". To produce a game the scale of Halo you need significantly more people. Hundreds. To produce a game like chess - you need 1 person with a good idea. Lets be honest - the difficult part of creating any boardgame is in the idea. A song (or a video game) has an awful lot to do with the implementation. To promote each artform, you need similar skills - so I'm ignoring that process.
timr 17y ago
"There was absolutely fantastic music before, there'll be absolutely fantastic music after." You're being a Polyanna. While there were definitely "popular" songs prior to the advent of the phonograph, music wasn't as vibrant and diverse as it has been for the last century. Before recording, music was a local phenomenon. Music was spread by sheet music (if at all), played locally, and the performances of the rare "star" were accessible only to the wealthy and elite. Saying that there was "absolutely fantastic music" before recording is like saying that there were "absolutely fantastic" plays before the advent of film. Yes, there were -- but not nearly as many or as fantastic as those produced since.
- axod 17y ago
  I disagree. People used to play music themselves, in their houses, or at the local pub. That, for me, is much more vibrant and fun than listening to a CD. Again, I don't think you can compare to plays/film. People don't act out plays in the local pub. But people do take their instruments and play music.
  - philwelch 17y ago
    Right now my favorite musicians are from places like New York, Toronto, Long Island, various Scandinavian countries, England...all around the world. Many of them are dead. Most of them are more talented than whatever local bands I'd see in a pub. We're in an increasingly globalized world where I can enjoy things created by people around the world, and you think we should give that all up for local pub bands?
    - axod 17y ago
      Not at all, maybe I was unclear. Recorded music is pretty much freely available now, so you can enjoy it as much as you like from the whole range. I'm really into New Orleans Jazz at the moment, so I'd really like to visit there one day to see some live. What I do think is that the age where you can record a few songs on a CD, and live off the profit for years, is coming to a close. Recorded music will likely just be advertising to get people to come see the live show.

by axod 17y ago

mattmanser 17y ago

Recorded music is a very very recent invention. And that recorded music has meant a massive decline in paid live bands. So you can't get paid for gigging. So how are you going to get your 10,000 hours in like the beatles? You don't get resident bands in bars and pubs anymore. I don't think it's useful to compare music to movies or games. The effort and range of skills required is completely different. Aha, you think it's EASY don't you! Oh yes, anyone can be Nirvana if they grow their hair long huh? It's not, grow up. The pure fact there are so many people who wanted to be a rock star and never were is a testament to the difficulty. Also in the past movies = plays, games = Chess, backgammon, cards, etc. Plays cost money, chess boards cost money. And a poor person would never have had a chance to listen to Bach 300 years ago. All forms of entertainment have been around forever, the format changes with the times, but amazingly people always got paid. So what is your point exactly?

axod 17y ago
Before recorded music, people just played music for fun, or were mainly employed by very rich people to play music. If we go back to that, I don't think music as such will suffer. People create music mainly because it's fun, not because they want to be rich. You certainly do get live bands in good pubs. Find a better pub. And yes, I think creating music is far far easier than creating a movie or a modern game, where you have to organize music, lighting, casting, voices, graphics, gameplay, camerwork etc etc
- jasongullickson 17y ago
  Having done all three, I disagree that any one is categorically more or less difficult than the other.
warfangle 17y ago
The bar/restaurant down the street has a down-stairs lounge area. Five or so nights a week there is free live (acoustic) music down there. Many times the same band will play the same night each week. They have fun doing it, and play for tips (not a cover). The bar opening up next door to it will have a performance space in the back. There's a place a quarter mile away that is (coffee shop | beer/wine bar | performance space | thrift store | art gallery). There's a performance space down the block in the other direction; usually they host plays. Right now a local band has been performing a play + music performance for the past month. It was sold out last night. Maybe you don't get the traditional resident bands much anymore. But here in Bushwick, local talent is playing for local residents and having a smashing time doing it. A friend's band is about to go on tour to LA with money they've saved up from doing local gigs. Bands / musical performers are hearkening back to the concept of a traveling minstrel rather than the superstar performer of the last century. It's never something you did "to get rich" - only the very lucky got that. The best performers have done it because they needed to.
blhack 17y ago
Aha, you think it's EASY don't you! Oh yes, anyone can be Nirvana if they grow their hair long huh? Don't be silly. If you honestly think that the same amount of time expenditure that goes into creating a video game goes into creating an album, you're insane. Look at how many albums are released every year compared to albums. Do you think this is because people don't want to make games?
whatusername 17y ago
To produce a song you need: a band. A recording engineer. (and possibly a song-writer). That will let you produce something on the scale of "Thriller" or :Like a Rolling Stone" or "Hey Jude". To produce a game the scale of Halo you need significantly more people. Hundreds. To produce a game like chess - you need 1 person with a good idea. Lets be honest - the difficult part of creating any boardgame is in the idea. A song (or a video game) has an awful lot to do with the implementation. To promote each artform, you need similar skills - so I'm ignoring that process.

timr 17y ago

"There was absolutely fantastic music before, there'll be absolutely fantastic music after." You're being a Polyanna. While there were definitely "popular" songs prior to the advent of the phonograph, music wasn't as vibrant and diverse as it has been for the last century. Before recording, music was a local phenomenon. Music was spread by sheet music (if at all), played locally, and the performances of the rare "star" were accessible only to the wealthy and elite. Saying that there was "absolutely fantastic music" before recording is like saying that there were "absolutely fantastic" plays before the advent of film. Yes, there were -- but not nearly as many or as fantastic as those produced since.

axod 17y ago
I disagree. People used to play music themselves, in their houses, or at the local pub. That, for me, is much more vibrant and fun than listening to a CD. Again, I don't think you can compare to plays/film. People don't act out plays in the local pub. But people do take their instruments and play music.
- philwelch 17y ago
  Right now my favorite musicians are from places like New York, Toronto, Long Island, various Scandinavian countries, England...all around the world. Many of them are dead. Most of them are more talented than whatever local bands I'd see in a pub. We're in an increasingly globalized world where I can enjoy things created by people around the world, and you think we should give that all up for local pub bands?
  - axod 17y ago
    Not at all, maybe I was unclear. Recorded music is pretty much freely available now, so you can enjoy it as much as you like from the whole range. I'm really into New Orleans Jazz at the moment, so I'd really like to visit there one day to see some live. What I do think is that the age where you can record a few songs on a CD, and live off the profit for years, is coming to a close. Recorded music will likely just be advertising to get people to come see the live show.