4 ms·

Wait. She wanted to avoid FOIA? Is that allowed? If that is true, how the hell is she still running? (Non us citizen here btw)

apalmer 11y ago
this is editorializing on his part. the rest of the post seems to be fact and not opinion, so i wish that sentence had been left out.
marcoperaza 11y ago
Yes, this is the big elephant in the room. The only sane reason to have such an arrangement is to avoid oversight and accountability. The large number of deleted emails should also be a red flag as to what the real motive was.
- marak830 11y ago
  From the outside, that is what it seems like. To avoid accountability. If, as the above poster said, it's a rule/law shouldn't they be disallowed from running for president? By breaking a law that is. Edit: (can't reply to dogma thread too long?). Damn. I can sort of understand why, but how isn't this sort of law breaking being pushed by everyone else running for president. I would be pointing it out!
  - dogma1138 11y ago
    There are no restrictions that prevent convicted felons from running to president. A small pro tip if you can't reply, click reply to any comment and just edit the post id to the one of the comment you want to reply too in the URL.
    - deleted 11y ago
      [deleted]
  - marcoperaza 11y ago
    The Republicans have been attacking her over it, but they're largely focused on the primaries and Donald Trump right now. Bernie decided not to attack her over the issue at the first Democratic Party debate last year. It was honestly a smart move on his part. He wants to win the primary, but he wants his side to win even if he does not. In the general election campaign, Hillary will now be more convincing when she says it's just a Republican witch hunt (see "vast right-wing conspiracy" from her time as FLOTUS). In the unlikely scenario that she's actually indicted for a crime, she'd probably be politically forced to drop out of the race, but who knows.
- e12e 11y ago
  I would totally try to avoid an official record if I wanted to facilitate a coup in Latin America. I guess the real wtf is why she didn't get better opsec advice from some private former-cia-or-other-agency people, if she wanted to play at clandestine geopolitics.
dogma1138 11y ago
The biggest issue is not FOIA is that the server violates the Federal Records Act[0] including the amendments signed under the Obama administration. Any record created by any government official has to be kept and recorded this isn't some game if something happens there needs to be a clear trail of all records for accountability. If a person can run their own records and communications they can do what ever they want and never be hold accountable because no one else knows those records even exist. On a more comedic note Hilary could send a drunken email to Putin and cause WW3 and no one would be the wiser to why this has happened. [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Records_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Records_Act And this is the part which annoys me that the "left" ignores I love Bill Maher but he continuously brings this up and makes it look like there is a witch hunt against Hilary she violated a federal law her emails don't contain cookie recipes and links to cat videos and while they probably also do not contain nuclear launch codes they do contain information that could potentially be volatile (as it shows opinions which are held by public officials and individuals of note) as well as official statements/positions by the secretary of state and the administration at large (and any email from the secretary of state could even count as an "order" to some extent) as when you assume a public office there is little to no "unofficial" communications one can make especially when they are communicating with public sector executives, think tanks, and other elected officials.

apalmer 11y ago

this is editorializing on his part. the rest of the post seems to be fact and not opinion, so i wish that sentence had been left out.

marcoperaza 11y ago

Yes, this is the big elephant in the room. The only sane reason to have such an arrangement is to avoid oversight and accountability. The large number of deleted emails should also be a red flag as to what the real motive was.

marak830 11y ago
From the outside, that is what it seems like. To avoid accountability. If, as the above poster said, it's a rule/law shouldn't they be disallowed from running for president? By breaking a law that is. Edit: (can't reply to dogma thread too long?). Damn. I can sort of understand why, but how isn't this sort of law breaking being pushed by everyone else running for president. I would be pointing it out!
- dogma1138 11y ago
  There are no restrictions that prevent convicted felons from running to president. A small pro tip if you can't reply, click reply to any comment and just edit the post id to the one of the comment you want to reply too in the URL.
  - deleted 11y ago
    [deleted]
- marcoperaza 11y ago
  The Republicans have been attacking her over it, but they're largely focused on the primaries and Donald Trump right now. Bernie decided not to attack her over the issue at the first Democratic Party debate last year. It was honestly a smart move on his part. He wants to win the primary, but he wants his side to win even if he does not. In the general election campaign, Hillary will now be more convincing when she says it's just a Republican witch hunt (see "vast right-wing conspiracy" from her time as FLOTUS). In the unlikely scenario that she's actually indicted for a crime, she'd probably be politically forced to drop out of the race, but who knows.
e12e 11y ago
I would totally try to avoid an official record if I wanted to facilitate a coup in Latin America. I guess the real wtf is why she didn't get better opsec advice from some private former-cia-or-other-agency people, if she wanted to play at clandestine geopolitics.

dogma1138 11y ago

The biggest issue is not FOIA is that the server violates the Federal Records Act[0] including the amendments signed under the Obama administration. Any record created by any government official has to be kept and recorded this isn't some game if something happens there needs to be a clear trail of all records for accountability. If a person can run their own records and communications they can do what ever they want and never be hold accountable because no one else knows those records even exist. On a more comedic note Hilary could send a drunken email to Putin and cause WW3 and no one would be the wiser to why this has happened. [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Records_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Records_Act And this is the part which annoys me that the "left" ignores I love Bill Maher but he continuously brings this up and makes it look like there is a witch hunt against Hilary she violated a federal law her emails don't contain cookie recipes and links to cat videos and while they probably also do not contain nuclear launch codes they do contain information that could potentially be volatile (as it shows opinions which are held by public officials and individuals of note) as well as official statements/positions by the secretary of state and the administration at large (and any email from the secretary of state could even count as an "order" to some extent) as when you assume a public office there is little to no "unofficial" communications one can make especially when they are communicating with public sector executives, think tanks, and other elected officials.