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FBI: Albert Einstein

84 points by helwr 17y ago

pavs 17y ago
None of the PDFs are opening for me. Anyone else?
- zppx 17y ago
  Here they open, some 6 seconds after the "Please wait . . . loading file.".
  - pavs 17y ago
    Thanks. Works on FF, not on Chrome Dev Channel.
- lurkerperpetual 17y ago
  I get FBI.GOV is currently experiencing technical difficulties. Please try back later. Thank you. Others' files seem to be unaffected http://foia.fbi.gov/foiaindex/lennon.htm http://foia.fbi.gov/foiaindex/lennon.htm
  - wesley 17y ago
    Try the direct links: http://foia.fbi.gov/einstein/einstein1a.pdf http://foia.fbi.gov/einstein/einstein1a.pdf http://foia.fbi.gov/einstein/einstein1b.pdf http://foia.fbi.gov/einstein/einstein1b.pdf http://foia.fbi.gov/einstein/einstein2a.pdf http://foia.fbi.gov/einstein/einstein2a.pdf http://foia.fbi.gov/einstein/einstein2b.pdf http://foia.fbi.gov/einstein/einstein2b.pdf http://foia.fbi.gov/einstein/einstein3.pdf http://foia.fbi.gov/einstein/einstein3.pdf http://foia.fbi.gov/einstein/einstein4.pdf http://foia.fbi.gov/einstein/einstein4.pdf http://foia.fbi.gov/einstein/einstein5.pdf http://foia.fbi.gov/einstein/einstein5.pdf http://foia.fbi.gov/einstein/einstein6a.pdf http://foia.fbi.gov/einstein/einstein6a.pdf http://foia.fbi.gov/einstein/einstein6b.pdf http://foia.fbi.gov/einstein/einstein6b.pdf http://foia.fbi.gov/einstein/einstein7a.pdf http://foia.fbi.gov/einstein/einstein7a.pdf http://foia.fbi.gov/einstein/einstein7b.pdf http://foia.fbi.gov/einstein/einstein7b.pdf http://foia.fbi.gov/einstein/einstein8.pdf http://foia.fbi.gov/einstein/einstein8.pdf http://foia.fbi.gov/einstein/einstein9a.pdf http://foia.fbi.gov/einstein/einstein9a.pdf http://foia.fbi.gov/einstein/einstein9b.pdf http://foia.fbi.gov/einstein/einstein9b.pdf
    - yannis 17y ago
      You can try the links here http://www.theeinsteinfile.com/portal/alias__Einstein/lang__en-US/tabID__3339/DesktopDefault.aspx http://www.theeinsteinfile.com/portal/alias__Einstein/lang__... and they seem to be much clearer. This is the site of the book by Jerome the Einstein Files. Extract from same site: The story that emerges not only reveals a little-known aspect of Einstein's considerable social and humanitarian concerns, but underscores the dangers that can arise to the American republic and the rule of law in times of obsession with national security.
wesley 17y ago
They sure have some excellent scanners over there..
- pavs 17y ago
  I don't think they were scanned recently. I could be wrong.
  - draven 17y ago
    The PDF properties says 1999.
    - pedalpete 17y ago
      The stamp (which I assume to be the release date) on the first page reads 4-22-80. Did we have scanners in 1980?
      - pbhjpbhj 17y ago
        Scanned in the 90s from 80s photocopies/pictures?
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proemeth 17y ago
It is pretty big. If someone has time to digest all this, I'd love to read some summary.
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mynameishere 17y ago
Man, I wish the FBI still had a mandate to investigate communist fronts. Another thing about Einstein: In his later years he had a lady-friend who was a Soviet spy.
- aswanson 17y ago
  No worries, Glenn Beck has taken the torch.
- rauljara 17y ago
  Sarcasm? Or do you seriously believe that the government should have the right to violate people's privacy based on their political leanings?
  - lionhearted 17y ago
    > Or do you seriously believe that the government should have the right to violate people's privacy based on their political leanings? I'm not the original poster, but something to think about - communism isn't a political leaning the way debating about state/federal powers is a political leaning. Mainstream communist literature - Communist Manifesto for instance - directly advocates violence and rioting, to the end of placing the state under control of the workers. Marx said that condition - control by the workers - would be socialism. Socialism could then slowly dissolve until it's a classless, peaceful society, but Marx said you'd need to make a lot of violence on the bourgeois first. I don't know, if there was a group that advocated, for instance, that they should confiscate and destroy all the property of non-Caucasians, make sure whites control everything, but that's only a necessary step to a perfectly peaceful and equal society - well, would you want the FBI to keep tabs on those people? How about if someone believed that they should kill all infidels to place society under the control of Muslims, which would then lead to a peaceful society? No, Communism isn't a political leaning, it's a very bad thing that's done very bad things. I'm visiting Cambodia in two weeks by the way, I'm going to see the relic of one of the most literal applications of Marxist communist doctrines: > People were often encouraged to confess to Angkar their "pre-revolutionary lifestyles and crimes" (which usually included some kind of free-market activity, or having had contact with a foreign source, such as a US missionary, or international relief or government agency, or contact with any foreigner or with the outside world at all), being told that Angkar would forgive them and "wipe the slate clean". This meant being taken away to a place such as Tuol Sleng or Choeung Ek for torture and/or execution. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Killing_Fields#Process http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Killing_Fields#Process Communism is a bad thing. The legality/criminality of advocating it should be equivalent to the legality/criminality of other forms of advocating violence and destruction.
mustpax 17y ago
Sounds like Anarchists were the Terrorists of the early 20th century; unless contained they would bring about the end of Western Civilization as we know it. I wonder what new amorphous threat we will worry about a hundred years from now. From Part 1a, Formal Charges: We are informed and believe and charge that Professor Albert Einstein is inadmissible to the United States on the following grounds a) Albert Einstein believes in, advises, advocates or teaches a doctrine which, in a legal sense, as held by the courts in other cases, “would allow anarchy to stalk in unmolested” and result in “government only in name.” b) Albert Einstein advises, advocates or teaches, and is a member of _and_ affiliated with groups that are in “militant” and admittedly ”illegal” opposition to the most fundamental principle of organized government. Edit: It has been pointed out that these formal charges are made by The Women Patriot Corporation, not the FBI.
- proemeth 17y ago
  I think what's disguised behind "anarchy" is communism, civil rights movement, maybe unions movements and zionism too.
  - mustpax 17y ago
    Yes, most likely. What’s striking for me is that the anarchist charge is the go-to indictment for the FBI in this case. Reading the indictment, you get the sense they think it is the most damning.
  - rms 17y ago
    Those causes are certainly sympathetic to anarchism, but I'm pretty sure that the early 20th century anarchists really were anarchists. They were pretty open about their goals; just like the people we currently call terrorists. Libertarian socialism is now the most polite label for the anarchist political philosophy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism I prefer to call it left libertarianism.
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JoeAltmaier 17y ago
Cold-war noise - ex-German spies were hired by the CIA and FBI to generate "intelligence" which they did - by making up rumors about famous people, to keep the pipe full of reports and keep their jobs. Refer to the last pdf - when Einstein died the final investigation concluded all "reports" were by unknown sources or people dead or moved to Russia - "Case closed"
teeja 17y ago
"a doctrine which ...'would allow anarchy to stalk in unmolested' and result in 'government only in name.' So, what's the FBI got on Wall Street, then?
- tedunangst 17y ago
  Whatever all the nuts have mailed in to them.
pavel_lishin 17y ago
"Please wait . . . loading file." I'm sure they meant to say, "Please wait... logging your interest in this file."
- pbhjpbhj 17y ago
  First one is a 92 page pdf.
tmsh 17y ago
i skimmed to page 14 of the first one. favorite quote: 'Neither is Albert Einstein subject to exclusion by reason of his frequently revised theory of "relativity" which, even if true, is of no more practical importance than the answer to the old academic riddle, "how many angels can stand on the point of a needle if angels do not occupy space."' lmao. ah mass-energy equivalence, so impractical.

84 points by helwr 17y ago

pavs 17y ago

None of the PDFs are opening for me. Anyone else?

zppx 17y ago
Here they open, some 6 seconds after the "Please wait . . . loading file.".
- pavs 17y ago
  Thanks. Works on FF, not on Chrome Dev Channel.
lurkerperpetual 17y ago
I get FBI.GOV is currently experiencing technical difficulties. Please try back later. Thank you. Others' files seem to be unaffected http://foia.fbi.gov/foiaindex/lennon.htm http://foia.fbi.gov/foiaindex/lennon.htm
- wesley 17y ago
  Try the direct links: http://foia.fbi.gov/einstein/einstein1a.pdf http://foia.fbi.gov/einstein/einstein1a.pdf http://foia.fbi.gov/einstein/einstein1b.pdf http://foia.fbi.gov/einstein/einstein1b.pdf http://foia.fbi.gov/einstein/einstein2a.pdf http://foia.fbi.gov/einstein/einstein2a.pdf http://foia.fbi.gov/einstein/einstein2b.pdf http://foia.fbi.gov/einstein/einstein2b.pdf http://foia.fbi.gov/einstein/einstein3.pdf http://foia.fbi.gov/einstein/einstein3.pdf http://foia.fbi.gov/einstein/einstein4.pdf http://foia.fbi.gov/einstein/einstein4.pdf http://foia.fbi.gov/einstein/einstein5.pdf http://foia.fbi.gov/einstein/einstein5.pdf http://foia.fbi.gov/einstein/einstein6a.pdf http://foia.fbi.gov/einstein/einstein6a.pdf http://foia.fbi.gov/einstein/einstein6b.pdf http://foia.fbi.gov/einstein/einstein6b.pdf http://foia.fbi.gov/einstein/einstein7a.pdf http://foia.fbi.gov/einstein/einstein7a.pdf http://foia.fbi.gov/einstein/einstein7b.pdf http://foia.fbi.gov/einstein/einstein7b.pdf http://foia.fbi.gov/einstein/einstein8.pdf http://foia.fbi.gov/einstein/einstein8.pdf http://foia.fbi.gov/einstein/einstein9a.pdf http://foia.fbi.gov/einstein/einstein9a.pdf http://foia.fbi.gov/einstein/einstein9b.pdf http://foia.fbi.gov/einstein/einstein9b.pdf
  - yannis 17y ago
    You can try the links here http://www.theeinsteinfile.com/portal/alias__Einstein/lang__en-US/tabID__3339/DesktopDefault.aspx http://www.theeinsteinfile.com/portal/alias__Einstein/lang__... and they seem to be much clearer. This is the site of the book by Jerome the Einstein Files. Extract from same site: The story that emerges not only reveals a little-known aspect of Einstein's considerable social and humanitarian concerns, but underscores the dangers that can arise to the American republic and the rule of law in times of obsession with national security.

wesley 17y ago

They sure have some excellent scanners over there..

pavs 17y ago
I don't think they were scanned recently. I could be wrong.
- draven 17y ago
  The PDF properties says 1999.
  - pedalpete 17y ago
    The stamp (which I assume to be the release date) on the first page reads 4-22-80. Did we have scanners in 1980?
    - pbhjpbhj 17y ago
      Scanned in the 90s from 80s photocopies/pictures?

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proemeth 17y ago

It is pretty big. If someone has time to digest all this, I'd love to read some summary.

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mynameishere 17y ago

Man, I wish the FBI still had a mandate to investigate communist fronts. Another thing about Einstein: In his later years he had a lady-friend who was a Soviet spy.

aswanson 17y ago
No worries, Glenn Beck has taken the torch.
rauljara 17y ago
Sarcasm? Or do you seriously believe that the government should have the right to violate people's privacy based on their political leanings?
- lionhearted 17y ago
  > Or do you seriously believe that the government should have the right to violate people's privacy based on their political leanings? I'm not the original poster, but something to think about - communism isn't a political leaning the way debating about state/federal powers is a political leaning. Mainstream communist literature - Communist Manifesto for instance - directly advocates violence and rioting, to the end of placing the state under control of the workers. Marx said that condition - control by the workers - would be socialism. Socialism could then slowly dissolve until it's a classless, peaceful society, but Marx said you'd need to make a lot of violence on the bourgeois first. I don't know, if there was a group that advocated, for instance, that they should confiscate and destroy all the property of non-Caucasians, make sure whites control everything, but that's only a necessary step to a perfectly peaceful and equal society - well, would you want the FBI to keep tabs on those people? How about if someone believed that they should kill all infidels to place society under the control of Muslims, which would then lead to a peaceful society? No, Communism isn't a political leaning, it's a very bad thing that's done very bad things. I'm visiting Cambodia in two weeks by the way, I'm going to see the relic of one of the most literal applications of Marxist communist doctrines: > People were often encouraged to confess to Angkar their "pre-revolutionary lifestyles and crimes" (which usually included some kind of free-market activity, or having had contact with a foreign source, such as a US missionary, or international relief or government agency, or contact with any foreigner or with the outside world at all), being told that Angkar would forgive them and "wipe the slate clean". This meant being taken away to a place such as Tuol Sleng or Choeung Ek for torture and/or execution. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Killing_Fields#Process http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Killing_Fields#Process Communism is a bad thing. The legality/criminality of advocating it should be equivalent to the legality/criminality of other forms of advocating violence and destruction.

mustpax 17y ago

Sounds like Anarchists were the Terrorists of the early 20th century; unless contained they would bring about the end of Western Civilization as we know it. I wonder what new amorphous threat we will worry about a hundred years from now. From Part 1a, Formal Charges: We are informed and believe and charge that Professor Albert Einstein is inadmissible to the United States on the following grounds a) Albert Einstein believes in, advises, advocates or teaches a doctrine which, in a legal sense, as held by the courts in other cases, “would allow anarchy to stalk in unmolested” and result in “government only in name.” b) Albert Einstein advises, advocates or teaches, and is a member of _and_ affiliated with groups that are in “militant” and admittedly ”illegal” opposition to the most fundamental principle of organized government. Edit: It has been pointed out that these formal charges are made by The Women Patriot Corporation, not the FBI.

proemeth 17y ago
I think what's disguised behind "anarchy" is communism, civil rights movement, maybe unions movements and zionism too.
- mustpax 17y ago
  Yes, most likely. What’s striking for me is that the anarchist charge is the go-to indictment for the FBI in this case. Reading the indictment, you get the sense they think it is the most damning.
- rms 17y ago
  Those causes are certainly sympathetic to anarchism, but I'm pretty sure that the early 20th century anarchists really were anarchists. They were pretty open about their goals; just like the people we currently call terrorists. Libertarian socialism is now the most polite label for the anarchist political philosophy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism I prefer to call it left libertarianism.
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JoeAltmaier 17y ago

Cold-war noise - ex-German spies were hired by the CIA and FBI to generate "intelligence" which they did - by making up rumors about famous people, to keep the pipe full of reports and keep their jobs. Refer to the last pdf - when Einstein died the final investigation concluded all "reports" were by unknown sources or people dead or moved to Russia - "Case closed"

teeja 17y ago

"a doctrine which ...'would allow anarchy to stalk in unmolested' and result in 'government only in name.' So, what's the FBI got on Wall Street, then?

tedunangst 17y ago
Whatever all the nuts have mailed in to them.

pavel_lishin 17y ago

"Please wait . . . loading file." I'm sure they meant to say, "Please wait... logging your interest in this file."

pbhjpbhj 17y ago
First one is a 92 page pdf.

tmsh 17y ago

i skimmed to page 14 of the first one. favorite quote: 'Neither is Albert Einstein subject to exclusion by reason of his frequently revised theory of "relativity" which, even if true, is of no more practical importance than the answer to the old academic riddle, "how many angels can stand on the point of a needle if angels do not occupy space."' lmao. ah mass-energy equivalence, so impractical.