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Every business is 100% on other companies. Everyone uses electricity, has to ship product, buy resources, use devices to transform those resources etc. The pro

by dave2000 11y ago

Every business is 100% on other companies. Everyone uses electricity, has to ship product, buy resources, use devices to transform those resources etc. The problem here only really exists in these silly other parasitical web-only businesses. Yes, if you track Amazon's prices and Amazon makes that harder then you'll be on trouble. So probably best to set up 20 or so companies/services in your spare time and not take any of them too seriously.

cortesoft 11y ago
Right, but those other business have alternatives if the relationship with one fails (with the exception of electricity, which is regulated and therefore a bit different.)
Domenic_S 11y ago
No, the problem here is that the power company can't unilaterally decide you don't get power anymore and turn it off without warning. Your shipping carrier can't suddenly decide they don't serve you anymore, and by the way we're keeping all the packages you have en route. But Amazon can. They also pay a few months in arrears, so one day you may wake up to a form email that says essentially, "adios, and I'm keeping the money". In fairness, I believe all affiliate programs are like that.
- ryao 11y ago
  These are called carriers and utilities. There ar generally laws requiring them to offer the same business opportunities to everyone. Common carrier laws originated in England to regulate shipping carriers. I am not sure to what extent they exist in the US due to the federal postal service, but I understand that they are applied to telecommunications and more recently, the Internet via Title II.
- dave2000 11y ago
  "But Amazon can..... In fairness, I believe all affiliate programs are like that." My point is that most other companies are like that, and the difference is just the extent to which these parasitical "internet businesses" are coupled to their host. They're not `keeping the money`, they're just not paying you stuff that's not covered by the contract, TOS etc. It's not `without warning` by the same token; unless the warning they were expecting was to hear about other companies who play fast and loose with the rules getting caught first.
  - Dylan16807 11y ago
    Except in the many many cases where companies are shut down despite not violating the TOS.
    - dave2000 11y ago
      In precisely zero cases are companies "shut down".
  - Domenic_S 11y ago
    No, most other companies are certainly not like that; you may not understand exactly what Amazon can do: Amazon pays ~2 months after Affiliate fees are earned, so at any given time you may have 2 months of fees waiting to be paid. If today they decide that they're done with their affiliate relationship with you -- for good reason or for no reason -- they can (and do) close your account with no explanation, AND they keep those 2 months of fees you already earned legitimately with no recourse except your suing them (good luck with that). It's a bit like being a commissioned salesperson, getting fired, and the company keeps all your pending commissions. Totally illegal in that context, but the Affiliate program is not an employer in that way. It still sucks just as much. A lot of companies warn you if they think you're in violation of their TOS: internet providers, game companies, cell phone companies, on and on. I don't think it's unreasonable to use a 'strikes' system or provide an avenue for appeal.

cortesoft 11y ago

Right, but those other business have alternatives if the relationship with one fails (with the exception of electricity, which is regulated and therefore a bit different.)

Domenic_S 11y ago

No, the problem here is that the power company can't unilaterally decide you don't get power anymore and turn it off without warning. Your shipping carrier can't suddenly decide they don't serve you anymore, and by the way we're keeping all the packages you have en route. But Amazon can. They also pay a few months in arrears, so one day you may wake up to a form email that says essentially, "adios, and I'm keeping the money". In fairness, I believe all affiliate programs are like that.

ryao 11y ago
These are called carriers and utilities. There ar generally laws requiring them to offer the same business opportunities to everyone. Common carrier laws originated in England to regulate shipping carriers. I am not sure to what extent they exist in the US due to the federal postal service, but I understand that they are applied to telecommunications and more recently, the Internet via Title II.
dave2000 11y ago
"But Amazon can..... In fairness, I believe all affiliate programs are like that." My point is that most other companies are like that, and the difference is just the extent to which these parasitical "internet businesses" are coupled to their host. They're not `keeping the money`, they're just not paying you stuff that's not covered by the contract, TOS etc. It's not `without warning` by the same token; unless the warning they were expecting was to hear about other companies who play fast and loose with the rules getting caught first.
- Dylan16807 11y ago
  Except in the many many cases where companies are shut down despite not violating the TOS.
  - dave2000 11y ago
    In precisely zero cases are companies "shut down".
- Domenic_S 11y ago
  No, most other companies are certainly not like that; you may not understand exactly what Amazon can do: Amazon pays ~2 months after Affiliate fees are earned, so at any given time you may have 2 months of fees waiting to be paid. If today they decide that they're done with their affiliate relationship with you -- for good reason or for no reason -- they can (and do) close your account with no explanation, AND they keep those 2 months of fees you already earned legitimately with no recourse except your suing them (good luck with that). It's a bit like being a commissioned salesperson, getting fired, and the company keeps all your pending commissions. Totally illegal in that context, but the Affiliate program is not an employer in that way. It still sucks just as much. A lot of companies warn you if they think you're in violation of their TOS: internet providers, game companies, cell phone companies, on and on. I don't think it's unreasonable to use a 'strikes' system or provide an avenue for appeal.