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So now it's "Tick-Tock-Tweak".

acqq 11y ago
Not even that, the question is if there will ever be more than one or two more "ticks" in the traditional sense. Apparently the sizes of the elements on the chips are roughly the same on Intel's 10nm and some other 7nm. As an example of what people in the field say: if nothing changes, at 5nm, 80% of the transistors would have to be "dark" (unpowered) all the time. EUV, often presented as the new solution in the processes, would also possibly be too expensive under 7nm even if it's still not even introduced. So the "tweak-tweak" can become the major cycle soon on more levels.
- Dylan16807 11y ago
  The question is what "nothing changes" means, and whether that's a desktop context or not. If he means a chip with 10x as many transistors can only keep 2x active at the same power budget, that's not a big deal. Give me a physically smaller chip in my phone, and a bigger cooler on my desktop.
  - 0xcde4c3db 11y ago
    As far as I understand the issues with the current tech, it's not good enough that a chip only generates, say, 45 watts. You need to know that the dissipation is spread out enough in area+time to not overheat any individual components, which gets harder as the components get smaller.
dzdt 11y ago
"Tick-Tock-Tweak" is a great summary, so much easier than the "Process-Architecture-Optimization" label that Intel gave to explain their new plan.
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maaku 11y ago
Some PR person at Intel is kicking themselves now.
- acqq 11y ago
  Not necessarily, maybe they know it's time not to give the "tick" expectations anymore. They can be very soon away, and from their perspective, it's time to be identified with other aspects, not with "ticks."
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djcapelis 11y ago
I like Tick-Tock-Punch personally, but it doesn't really matter. I wonder how long this next pattern will last? Probably not nearly as long as tick-tock.
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echoes01 11y ago
Tick-Tock-Twerk
- alex_young 11y ago
  Tick. Tock. Tweet.

acqq 11y ago

Not even that, the question is if there will ever be more than one or two more "ticks" in the traditional sense. Apparently the sizes of the elements on the chips are roughly the same on Intel's 10nm and some other 7nm. As an example of what people in the field say: if nothing changes, at 5nm, 80% of the transistors would have to be "dark" (unpowered) all the time. EUV, often presented as the new solution in the processes, would also possibly be too expensive under 7nm even if it's still not even introduced. So the "tweak-tweak" can become the major cycle soon on more levels.

Dylan16807 11y ago
The question is what "nothing changes" means, and whether that's a desktop context or not. If he means a chip with 10x as many transistors can only keep 2x active at the same power budget, that's not a big deal. Give me a physically smaller chip in my phone, and a bigger cooler on my desktop.
- 0xcde4c3db 11y ago
  As far as I understand the issues with the current tech, it's not good enough that a chip only generates, say, 45 watts. You need to know that the dissipation is spread out enough in area+time to not overheat any individual components, which gets harder as the components get smaller.

dzdt 11y ago

"Tick-Tock-Tweak" is a great summary, so much easier than the "Process-Architecture-Optimization" label that Intel gave to explain their new plan.

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maaku 11y ago

Some PR person at Intel is kicking themselves now.

acqq 11y ago
Not necessarily, maybe they know it's time not to give the "tick" expectations anymore. They can be very soon away, and from their perspective, it's time to be identified with other aspects, not with "ticks."
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djcapelis 11y ago

I like Tick-Tock-Punch personally, but it doesn't really matter. I wonder how long this next pattern will last? Probably not nearly as long as tick-tock.

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echoes01 11y ago

Tick-Tock-Twerk

alex_young 11y ago
Tick. Tock. Tweet.