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The price of Serious Education, like that of Serious Illness is now quoted at $ImpossibleSum and then generously negotiated down to ($EverythingYouveGot + $Ever

The price of Serious Education, like that of Serious Illness is now quoted at $ImpossibleSum and then generously negotiated down to ($EverythingYouveGot + $EverythingYouCanBorrow).

jimbokun 11y ago
This is the economic issue in the U.S. right now, and the only candidate who seems to even acknowledge it is Bernie. It's a difficult issue for Hillary, whose husband oversaw implementation of some of the policies that created this environment. And all of the Republican voters seem to be more afraid of brown people possibly getting money from the government, than about whether or not they can get sick or go to school without going bankrupt.
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- Grishnakh 11y ago
  The Republicans aren't as bad as you think. Trump has said (vague) things about providing health care for everyone. He's said a lot of things that are a big departure from standard Republican ideology, which is why a bunch of Republicans are calling him "not a real Republican" and the party as a whole is having a major shit-fit about him possibly getting the nomination. The guy isn't really a right-winger, he's a centrist nationalist as far as I can tell. The GOP is pissed at him lately because of his foreign policy stances, because he's voiced support for non-interventionism and staying neutral on Israel. But you're absolutely right about Bernie and Hillary. Hillary, to me, isn't much different from Ted Cruz, and even more like Rubio. They're right-wing war hawks in the pocket of Wall Street, and the only things they differ on are social wedge issues that they use to get people on each side to vote for them. AFAIC, our best hope is Bernie. Cruz and Hillary will both be a disaster and lead us into another war, and Trump is a wild card and highly unpredictable, though I think he's a lot less likely to get us involved in another war than Hillary or Cruz (he royally pissed off the GOP by saying the Iraq war was stupid).
  - wobbleblob 11y ago
    > The guy isn't really a right-winger, he's a centrist nationalist as far as I can tell. There's a word for that: populist. Policy by opinion poll. As most European democracies have found out over the past decades, most voters aren't political idealists. Ideas from all over the political spectrum appeal to them. Many of them end up not voting because every major party comes with a package of political ideals that don't work for them. From time to time, a politician appears who manages to tap that potential, and throws the traditional, ideals-oriented politics into disarray.
  - xenadu02 11y ago
    Trump made that claim about health care. Then when it polled badly with the hardcore Republican base (you see Obamacare = bad because Obama = bad, mumble mumble ~reasons~) he flipped faster than you could blink. Go look at his website now. It's the same old tired Republican canards like selling insurance across state lines (aka gutting your state's insurance commission as all insurance companies relocate to states without meaningful regulation like South Dakota).
  - ameen 11y ago
    Bernie seems like the only sane person on there. Hillary is the worst of them, and I say this as a Muslim. Trump might hate me, but at least it's irrational unlike Hillary who is a first-class warmonger and only exists to sell multi-billion dollar weapons. The world could do a lot more with lesser wars, no unwanted migration, and no terrorism. The vicious cycle of violence killing innocents and following hate attacks are unbearable. I can't take it any more, I don't think anyone can.
    - Grishnakh 11y ago
      From what I've read, Trump's anti-Muslim comments seem to basically be along the lines of stopping any of them from entering the country until some better screening measures are instituted, and worst-case, not letting any more in. However, he's been pretty clear about being interested in a more non-interventionist foreign policy, and our military involvement in the middle east is exactly what's created this monster. The establishment politicians, on both sides, by contrast, are warmongers like you say. I think they'll just make things even worse.
- venomsnake 11y ago
  The Trump supporters are driven by the same things that Bernie ones are. Anger at economic insecurity. The racism is mostly a side dish. If we have a great compression, growth and redistribution like in the 50s/60s expect racial/immigration tensions to decrease a lot.
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  - cinquemb 11y ago
    >If we have a great compression, growth and redistribution like in the 50s/60s expect racial/immigration tensions to decrease a lot. I wonder what led to such environment then, can't be because of anything that happened in the 30s/40s…
    - venomsnake 11y ago
      Is that sarcastic? You had great destruction of capital in WWII, there was severe labor shortage and you had the GI bill. And you had the whole world to be rebuilt.
- lintiness 11y ago
  let's for a moment consider the economic issue OF THE FUTURE. we're spending our grandkids earnings on shit today with a promise to pay with interest sometime forward. anybody know a guy who was in congress while all this was happening? stop with the magical bernie economic mathematician nonsense.
  - noonespecial 11y ago
    >spending our grandkids earnings on shit today. I'm not sure that's true. College kids aren't producing anything today. What we're trying to do is to force them to fund our long (and I do mean long) cushy retirements with what they will produce later. The whole system seems to be set up right now to extract a great deal of what they will produce in the future and pull it back to the older generations. It's a promise to make them pay in the future. Well, promises can be broken, and in this case I'm almost certain will. They can say no.
superuser2 11y ago
It's not quite $EverythingYouveGot (for parents), but $EverythingYouveGot - $WhatWeThinkYouReallyNeed. Financial aid offices compute an allowance for parents, and then demand the "extra" money. It is "Everything You've Got" for students, though. If you have any college savings in your own name (or earn any scholarships), it will simply cancel dollar for dollar with university grant aid. Unless you can save more than the total of your grant over 4 years, better to spend it before the first financial aid paperwork (or not save it at all). Though this only comes into play at a school that offers substantial grant aid. At a state school your savings can actually help.

The price of Serious Education, like that of Serious Illness is now quoted at $ImpossibleSum and then generously negotiated down to ($EverythingYouveGot + $EverythingYouCanBorrow).

jimbokun 11y ago

This is the economic issue in the U.S. right now, and the only candidate who seems to even acknowledge it is Bernie. It's a difficult issue for Hillary, whose husband oversaw implementation of some of the policies that created this environment. And all of the Republican voters seem to be more afraid of brown people possibly getting money from the government, than about whether or not they can get sick or go to school without going bankrupt.

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Grishnakh 11y ago
The Republicans aren't as bad as you think. Trump has said (vague) things about providing health care for everyone. He's said a lot of things that are a big departure from standard Republican ideology, which is why a bunch of Republicans are calling him "not a real Republican" and the party as a whole is having a major shit-fit about him possibly getting the nomination. The guy isn't really a right-winger, he's a centrist nationalist as far as I can tell. The GOP is pissed at him lately because of his foreign policy stances, because he's voiced support for non-interventionism and staying neutral on Israel. But you're absolutely right about Bernie and Hillary. Hillary, to me, isn't much different from Ted Cruz, and even more like Rubio. They're right-wing war hawks in the pocket of Wall Street, and the only things they differ on are social wedge issues that they use to get people on each side to vote for them. AFAIC, our best hope is Bernie. Cruz and Hillary will both be a disaster and lead us into another war, and Trump is a wild card and highly unpredictable, though I think he's a lot less likely to get us involved in another war than Hillary or Cruz (he royally pissed off the GOP by saying the Iraq war was stupid).
- wobbleblob 11y ago
  > The guy isn't really a right-winger, he's a centrist nationalist as far as I can tell. There's a word for that: populist. Policy by opinion poll. As most European democracies have found out over the past decades, most voters aren't political idealists. Ideas from all over the political spectrum appeal to them. Many of them end up not voting because every major party comes with a package of political ideals that don't work for them. From time to time, a politician appears who manages to tap that potential, and throws the traditional, ideals-oriented politics into disarray.
- xenadu02 11y ago
  Trump made that claim about health care. Then when it polled badly with the hardcore Republican base (you see Obamacare = bad because Obama = bad, mumble mumble ~reasons~) he flipped faster than you could blink. Go look at his website now. It's the same old tired Republican canards like selling insurance across state lines (aka gutting your state's insurance commission as all insurance companies relocate to states without meaningful regulation like South Dakota).
- ameen 11y ago
  Bernie seems like the only sane person on there. Hillary is the worst of them, and I say this as a Muslim. Trump might hate me, but at least it's irrational unlike Hillary who is a first-class warmonger and only exists to sell multi-billion dollar weapons. The world could do a lot more with lesser wars, no unwanted migration, and no terrorism. The vicious cycle of violence killing innocents and following hate attacks are unbearable. I can't take it any more, I don't think anyone can.
  - Grishnakh 11y ago
    From what I've read, Trump's anti-Muslim comments seem to basically be along the lines of stopping any of them from entering the country until some better screening measures are instituted, and worst-case, not letting any more in. However, he's been pretty clear about being interested in a more non-interventionist foreign policy, and our military involvement in the middle east is exactly what's created this monster. The establishment politicians, on both sides, by contrast, are warmongers like you say. I think they'll just make things even worse.
venomsnake 11y ago
The Trump supporters are driven by the same things that Bernie ones are. Anger at economic insecurity. The racism is mostly a side dish. If we have a great compression, growth and redistribution like in the 50s/60s expect racial/immigration tensions to decrease a lot.
- deleted 11y ago
  [deleted]
- cinquemb 11y ago
  >If we have a great compression, growth and redistribution like in the 50s/60s expect racial/immigration tensions to decrease a lot. I wonder what led to such environment then, can't be because of anything that happened in the 30s/40s…
  - venomsnake 11y ago
    Is that sarcastic? You had great destruction of capital in WWII, there was severe labor shortage and you had the GI bill. And you had the whole world to be rebuilt.
lintiness 11y ago
let's for a moment consider the economic issue OF THE FUTURE. we're spending our grandkids earnings on shit today with a promise to pay with interest sometime forward. anybody know a guy who was in congress while all this was happening? stop with the magical bernie economic mathematician nonsense.
- noonespecial 11y ago
  >spending our grandkids earnings on shit today. I'm not sure that's true. College kids aren't producing anything today. What we're trying to do is to force them to fund our long (and I do mean long) cushy retirements with what they will produce later. The whole system seems to be set up right now to extract a great deal of what they will produce in the future and pull it back to the older generations. It's a promise to make them pay in the future. Well, promises can be broken, and in this case I'm almost certain will. They can say no.

superuser2 11y ago

It's not quite $EverythingYouveGot (for parents), but $EverythingYouveGot - $WhatWeThinkYouReallyNeed. Financial aid offices compute an allowance for parents, and then demand the "extra" money. It is "Everything You've Got" for students, though. If you have any college savings in your own name (or earn any scholarships), it will simply cancel dollar for dollar with university grant aid. Unless you can save more than the total of your grant over 4 years, better to spend it before the first financial aid paperwork (or not save it at all). Though this only comes into play at a school that offers substantial grant aid. At a state school your savings can actually help.