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3 Tesla workers die in E. Palo Alto plane crash
- mingdingo 17y agoWhat happened to the old article that was just here? It seems the points remain but the comments are all gone. Also, it's been reposted by pg...
- pg 17y agohttp://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1132211 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1132211
- jrockway 17y agoThe other article was tripe. People were upvoting based on worthiness of the story, not on the particular writing at the original site. Now everyone can read actual facts and come up with their own opinions.
- ryanelkins 17y agoAlthough it should be noted that much of the editorialized parts of the story seem to have been added quite a bit after it was submitted. The article is currently 2-3x as long as when I first read it. At least don't blame the OP.
- jazzychad 17y agoSo, I submitted the original story. When it was submitted, the article on the page was much different that what it appears to be now. I just came back from lunch to find my submission "overridden". In this case I don't mind because of the situation, and I would rather have an article with more journalistic integrity take center stage, but there were some good comment threads going on the original submission. However, it did seem odd that it happened.
- aquadoctorbob 17y agoI find your previous comment humorously prophetic in light of this :) http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1132225 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1132225
- jazzychad 17y agoheh.. yeah. which is actually why I'm not upset that it got reposted.
- Quarrelsome 17y agoIt was Jalopnik otherwise known as the hand that feeds the Top Gear news section. If you read TheRegister you might understand a little. Just because someone dies you shouldn't stop acting like yourself.
- mrtron 17y agoYou sort of answered your own question there. Just looks like pg changed the article source to one with more detail.
- mingdingo 17y agoAh, I see. Guess I wasn't familiar with the HN editing procedures. Shame the comments were lost though...
- nishantmodak 17y agoI think the comments can still be accessed here : http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1132211 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1132211
- jacquesm 17y ago> Just looks like pg changed the article source to one with more detail. And one which does not read like trying to turn a tragedy in to an attack piece on Tesla Motors. That's got to be a new journalistic low.
- idlewords 17y agoArbitrary killing of posts and comments by editorial fiat is a storied HN tradition.
- jacquesm 17y agoBut this is not one of those instances, I'm all for what happened here.
- tvon 17y agoIt's not arbitrary, it's just not explained.
- randallsquared 17y agoIf there are rules, the only plausible reason not to announce the rules is so that you can change them without having to give notice. This assumes that the rules haven't been announced, of course; maybe they have.
- tvon 17y agoThe guidelines are linked in the footer: http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- pkaler 17y agoIt's not arbitrary. I flagged the story and I am pretty sure others flagged the story, too. Flagged stories get killed. It's the right thing to do.
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- faramarz 17y agoOne of the people on video said it well "we're very vulnerable without power." Coincidently, Elon Musk's focus has partly been addressing that.
- aw3c2 17y agoAs sorry as I am for those who are affected, I just do not see the relevance for this site. People die every day. People in startups die every day. Is this special because it is in the news, because it was a spectacular death? Actually I find it highly questionable to draw attention to these kinds of incidents.
- axod 17y agoWell despite being a very sad event, it affects many people here - Power is out all over Palo Alto.
- Herring 17y agoA few days ago, one of the top threads was "Crime in America keeps going down, yet the American public refuses to believe it" It's very much a human thing, getting shocked about relatively small but vivid tragedies.
- pyre 17y agoAside from the power issues affecting Palo Alto and tragic loss of life, such a story is likely to drum up speculation about how the loss of talent will affect Tesla Motors. Seeing as talking about startups (or just popular businesses) in such a fashion happens a lot on HackerNews, I really don't see this story as out of place.
- jmatt 17y agoIt's a car company created in the spirit and likeness of a tech startup by founders who were previously successful tech startup founders. Their upcoming IPO was already evaluated as extremely risky even for an IPO and now they have to deal with this tragedy. I think that it's a combination of all these reasons more than the proximity to silicon valley. If the company were in Germany and in the same situation, I think I'd still be interested in the story and the fallout.
- slay2k 17y agoBetter article: http://www.mercurynews.com/business-headlines/ci_14416855 http://www.mercurynews.com/business-headlines/ci_14416855 This is depressing.
- sean12345 17y agoI see two possibilities: pilot loss of control due to disorientation caused by IMC conditions and subsequent powered flight into the ground or an engine failure. A loaded Cessna 310 has very poor climb performance with a single engine running. Probably an engine failure is the likely cause with the poor weather inhibiting the pilot's ability to make an off runway landing in the marsh.
- n8agrin 17y agoI believe it was in "Outliers" Malcolm Gladwell claimed that airplane accidents are often the cause of several critical failures, not just one. It would be interesting to find out if that theory holds true in this case, as you seem to be hypothesizing.
- jacquesm 17y agoAny kind of accident, not just airline accidents are usually the result of more than one failure. Even simple accidents are usually remarkably complex to piece together and almost always start with a very simple small thing that by itself would not be enough to cause an accident. The follow-up to that first thing is just as important, or possibly even more so.
- FlorinAndrei 17y agoSo, who killed the electric car again?
- jrockway 17y agoTesla has 500+ employees. 3 died today. It's likely that the company can continue to go on.
- FlorinAndrei 17y agoSarcasm. Whoosh.
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- SpacemanSpiff 17y agoGodspeed. Don't know if many readers here are also pilots, but it's always sad to see something like this happen to a fellow aviator. I've flown 310's quite a bit and they can be a handful on a single engine - although I will refrain from speculating about the crash further. Incidentally it's possible to track the investigation using the NTSB website: http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/query.asp http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/query.asp The accident synopsis will be available online as soon as they update their database. My condolences.
- sokoloff 17y agoFAA's AAI site will have the "just the facts" version of the report far sooner than the NTSB. (In all likelihood, it will be on the FAA site tomorrow.) http://www.faa.gov/data_research/accident_incident/preliminary_data/ http://www.faa.gov/data_research/accident_incident/prelimina...
- SpacemanSpiff 17y agoInteresting. Thanks.
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- alttab 17y agoDid anyone else see this and think "I wonder if it was a job?" Maybe I have too much Reddit in me, but damn. RIP and respect.
- walkon 17y agoHuh? You think they were knocked off by big oil companies?
- neurotech1 17y agoNot sure if its been posted, but the names of the victims have been released by Mercury News. "The Mercury News has learned through sources close to the company that the deceased are: Doug Bourn, 56, of Santa Clara, a senior electrical engineer; Andrew Ingram, 31, of Palo Alto, an electrical engineer; and Brian M. Finn, 42, of East Palo Alto; a senior manager of interactive electronics" http://www.mercurynews.com/top-stories/ci_14425582?nclick_check=1 http://www.mercurynews.com/top-stories/ci_14425582?nclick_ch...