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> These are wealthy upper class people coming to the most logical place They usually need to get an H-1B visa as part of the immigration process. You are insin

> These are wealthy upper class people coming to the most logical place They usually need to get an H-1B visa as part of the immigration process. You are insinuating that "wealthy upper class" can immigrate without obeying visa rules. That is ridiculous. > A foreigner that can afford elite credentials Many of their families probably can barely afford to pay for college in the U.S., but they scoop up the money to do so, in hope of a better life for their offspring. The United States however subjects them to an arbitrary H-1B lottery that decides if they get to stay in the country after graduation (and OPT). > far more likely to get funding than a poor local. Are you seriously suggesting that investors in Silicon Valley discriminate in favor of people with college degrees over poor uneducated people?

silentElephant 11y ago
He's not referring to H1Bs. http://goldsea.com/Text/index.php?id=6205 http://goldsea.com/Text/index.php?id=6205 Sehat Sutardja. One of many such examples. All you needed to do was fly your pregnant wife over to get American citizenship...but that's changing now.
- winter_blue 11y ago
  Your example, Sehat Sutardja, almost definitely got an H-1B visa after they graduated. The H-1B is pretty much the only way one can stay after graduation (and OPT). So your point is moot.
- winter_blue 11y ago
  > All you needed to do was fly your pregnant wife over to get American citizenship...but that's changing now. This statement is steeped in such ignorance. You get absolutely no immigration benefit whatsoever by having a U.S. citizen child. If you are talking about a child's citizenship, then FYI, birthright citizenship (part of the 14th amendment to the U.S. Constitution) has not been repealed.
  - fiatmoney 11y ago
    That's untrue. The benefit is not immediate, but as soon as that child is 21 they are able to petition for immigration status for their parents for family reunification. In fact the majority of US imigration happens via family reunification. http://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/family-reunification http://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/family-reunification
    - winter_blue 11y ago
      For this to work a would-be immigrant has to have a child on U.S. soil, wait 21 years, and then have their child sponsor them. That is not a practical immigration plan.
digikata 11y ago
Well you can basically pay to immigrate via an EB-5 visa which grants a green card for the right amount & kind of capital investment. https://www.uscis.gov/eb-5 https://www.uscis.gov/eb-5
- winter_blue 11y ago
  Are you kidding me? You need to invest at least $500,000 for the EB-5. Most families don't have $500,000 to just invest in order to get their child a green card. A lot of international students I know worked part-time on-campus (permitted on the F-1 student visa) in order lessen the burden on their parents. Their families struggled to put together the money to pay for college in the U.S. I went to Stony Brook University, and between the time I came in and graduated, tuition had risen by over 50% for international students. (State law did not restrict tuition hikes for foreign students.) It's condescending of you to suggest an EB-5. Like "Let them eat cake": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let_them_eat_cake https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let_them_eat_cake
  - adventured 11y ago
    You're reacting very strongly in each reply. It's a bit over the top, given you said this: > You are insinuating that "wealthy upper class" can immigrate without obeying visa rules. That is ridiculous. The parent you're replying to never said most families could afford that. The parent was indicating that you can buy your way into America, which you in fact can do. The wealthy upper class can buy their way in, and do this all the time (see: wealthy Chinese buying their way into the US).
    - winter_blue 11y ago
      He was responding to the article, but the WSJ article is not about the super-rich moving here. It is about the vast majority of skilled immigrants who have to go through the H-1B visa as a step in their immigration process.
      - dalke 11y ago

silentElephant 11y ago

He's not referring to H1Bs. http://goldsea.com/Text/index.php?id=6205 http://goldsea.com/Text/index.php?id=6205 Sehat Sutardja. One of many such examples. All you needed to do was fly your pregnant wife over to get American citizenship...but that's changing now.

winter_blue 11y ago
Your example, Sehat Sutardja, almost definitely got an H-1B visa after they graduated. The H-1B is pretty much the only way one can stay after graduation (and OPT). So your point is moot.
winter_blue 11y ago
> All you needed to do was fly your pregnant wife over to get American citizenship...but that's changing now. This statement is steeped in such ignorance. You get absolutely no immigration benefit whatsoever by having a U.S. citizen child. If you are talking about a child's citizenship, then FYI, birthright citizenship (part of the 14th amendment to the U.S. Constitution) has not been repealed.
- fiatmoney 11y ago
  That's untrue. The benefit is not immediate, but as soon as that child is 21 they are able to petition for immigration status for their parents for family reunification. In fact the majority of US imigration happens via family reunification. http://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/family-reunification http://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/family-reunification
  - winter_blue 11y ago
    For this to work a would-be immigrant has to have a child on U.S. soil, wait 21 years, and then have their child sponsor them. That is not a practical immigration plan.

digikata 11y ago

Well you can basically pay to immigrate via an EB-5 visa which grants a green card for the right amount & kind of capital investment. https://www.uscis.gov/eb-5 https://www.uscis.gov/eb-5

winter_blue 11y ago
Are you kidding me? You need to invest at least $500,000 for the EB-5. Most families don't have $500,000 to just invest in order to get their child a green card. A lot of international students I know worked part-time on-campus (permitted on the F-1 student visa) in order lessen the burden on their parents. Their families struggled to put together the money to pay for college in the U.S. I went to Stony Brook University, and between the time I came in and graduated, tuition had risen by over 50% for international students. (State law did not restrict tuition hikes for foreign students.) It's condescending of you to suggest an EB-5. Like "Let them eat cake": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let_them_eat_cake https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let_them_eat_cake
- adventured 11y ago
  You're reacting very strongly in each reply. It's a bit over the top, given you said this: > You are insinuating that "wealthy upper class" can immigrate without obeying visa rules. That is ridiculous. The parent you're replying to never said most families could afford that. The parent was indicating that you can buy your way into America, which you in fact can do. The wealthy upper class can buy their way in, and do this all the time (see: wealthy Chinese buying their way into the US).
  - winter_blue 11y ago
    He was responding to the article, but the WSJ article is not about the super-rich moving here. It is about the vast majority of skilled immigrants who have to go through the H-1B visa as a step in their immigration process.
    - dalke 11y ago