5 ms·
>Here's the frustrating bit for me though: the FBI going to the courts, getting a court order, and asking for that court order to be executed, is very different
by the_ancient 11y ago
>Here's the frustrating bit for me though: the FBI going to the courts, getting a court order, and asking for that court order to be executed, is very different from "an authoritarian surveillance regime".
The frustrating bit for me is that many people believe that a courts power is unlimited and that simply by virtu of the FBI obtaining a rubber stamp from a court it makes their demand A OK... makes their demand ethical, moral, or constitutional.
The frustrating bit for me is that many people on the side of the FBI believe because people died in a terrorist act that justifies any loss of privacy and liberty for anyone now and in the future.
>and asking for that court order to be executed, is very different from "an authoritarian surveillance regime". It is exact opposite
Actually it is not. Almost all Authoritarian Surveillance Regime are perfectly legal, and have the full blessing of the Law and Courts in their jurisdictions. In fact by having a courts approval, and the authorization under law that makes it a surveillance STATE the key requirement of a surveillance state is said surveillance happens legally.
>Whenever they come up against anything that was signed with an AES key, just go "oh well, can't get it"?
Yes. There seems to be an idea that the FBI is entitled to, has a right to all information at all times provided it ordered by a court somewhere. This flies in the face of historical fact. Never in human history has law enforcement had more information about its citizen, the needle is HEAVILY pointed in favor of the government, Encryption gives the citizens some limited authority to take that back. This idea that the government is entitled to know everything about you under court order is naive and not based in reality or history.
- pdabbadabba 11y agoThere is an extremely significant fact that this line of argument ignores: the FBI only seeks the ability to unlock a phone if it either has a warrant or (in this case) has the consent of the phone's owner. This is a capability that it already has for virtually every other type of phone--the only difference here is the amount of technical effort required to make it happen. I have a very hard time seeing how the FBI's ability to unlock a phone under these limited circumstances means they are an "Authoritarian Surveillance Regime." They are not asking for the ability to unlock any phone at any time for any reason.
- the_ancient 11y ago>I have a very hard time seeing how the FBI's ability to unlock a phone under these limited circumstances means they are an "Authoritarian Surveillance Regime." Then you do not understand the security model of the phone, and should take the time the learn the actual issue before making statements in support of the FBI.
- einarvollset 11y agoSorry, but I do understand the security model of the phone well, and I would love you to elaborate your point.
- pdabbadabba 11y agoNope. I know it well. Perhaps if you would actually make your point, instead of merely assuming that those who agree with you are misinformed, there would be something more we could talk about...
- givinguflac 11y ago"They are not asking for the ability to unlock any phone at any time for any reason." When he was asked by Oregon Senator Ron Wyden, “Does the NSA collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans?” Director of National Intelligence and Admiral James Clapper: “No, sir.” Wyden: “It does not?” Clapper: “Not wittingly. There are cases where they could inadvertently perhaps collect, but not wittingly.” ^These are the people you're saying "aren't asking" for the ability. They are asking for a universal lock picking kit and the legal authority to strong-arm any manufacturer into allowing access to the keys for their devices as well. If you honestly believe that they wouldn't use these tools for other cases beyond this one phone, I've got this amazing bridge you may be interested in.
- wooter 11y agohttp://www.hasjamesclapperbeenindictedyet.com http://www.hasjamesclapperbeenindictedyet.com
- 11y ago