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You're right about the upgrade cycle being shorter than I thought. > That's still probably faster than PC as a 1000$ gaming PC from 2012 would have 4 or 8 GB r

by Veratyr 11y ago

You're right about the upgrade cycle being shorter than I thought. > That's still probably faster than PC as a 1000$ gaming PC from 2012 would have 4 or 8 GB ram, 1TB HDD or a small SSD, ~570 GTX 2500k CPU. Which can still play new games but your going to want an upgrade soon ish. I don't think this is true. In 2013 [0], for $1000, you'd be looking at a GTX 660 and an i5 4430. Witcher 3, one of the largest PC gaming releases of 2015, required [1] a GTX 660 as a __minimum__, just 2 years after you'd have bought that PC. And this is a card that could handle Skyrim on Ultra settings [2] when you bought it. To keep a PC up to date (playing new games at the quality settings you used when you bought it) you're looking at $1000 initial cost, ~$150/yr for the GPU and $50-100/year for a CPU/RAM upgrade every few years. So for 10 years of ownership, you're looking at $1000 for the initial purchase, 3-5 $250 GPU upgrades ($750-$1250) and say two major overhauls of CPU/RAM/Motherboard/PSU ($500-$1000). Total cost of ownership is ~$2250-3250, depending how long you stretch it. For a console you're looking at say 3 console purchases (since you keep them longer, at least one is likely to need replacing at some stage) each at ~$400. Total cost of ownership is ~$1200. > Cheaper games Tom Clancy's The Division, the most recent major new release I'm aware of is currently $60 on every platform [3]. This has been my experience with most major games. If you're commenting on indie games, those are available on consoles too. > no subscription fees (X box live) A concern exclusively for Xbox owners. This thread is regarding a Playstation announcement. > and your going to want a PC anyway Most people can (and do) get along perfectly fine with a cheap $300 laptop which lasts them 2-5 years depending on the people. I get where you're coming from but I think you're biased by your personal preferences/situation/experiences. Gaming PCs just aren't more cost effective than consoles unless you happen to need a beast of a PC for other purposes (like software development). They just don't make sense for most of the market. [0]: https://web.archive.org/web/20130501090947/http://www.logicalincrements.com/ https://web.archive.org/web/20130501090947/http://www.logica... [1]: http://www.pcgamer.com/the-witcher-3-system-requirements-announced/ http://www.pcgamer.com/the-witcher-3-system-requirements-ann... [2]: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-660-geforce-gtx-650-benchmark,3297-12.html http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-660-geforce-... [3]: http://www.amazon.com/Tom-Clancys-Division-Xbox-One/dp/B00DDXILBQ http://www.amazon.com/Tom-Clancys-Division-Xbox-One/dp/B00DD...

ewzimm 11y ago
You're considering the launch date of the console, which is its best price/performance time, but that quickly goes down. A GTX 660 is now around $100. Most people will want some kind of PC anyway, and mainstream CPUs are good enough to handle almost any game. All that most people need for gaming is a GPU update. Although this isn't possible with most laptops, external GPUs are already entering the market. Console and PC gaming are converging. Microsoft is talking about quicker upgrades because the power of hardware is rapidly evolving. The new GPU generations this year will be a huge leap forward, and there's plenty more to come. They're also introducing cross-platform online play. By the way, PlayStation requires a subscription fee for that too now. It was only the PS3 that allowed free online play.
- ChrisLTD 11y ago
  Will most people want a PC? Phone and tablet sales have been eating into traditional PC sales for nearly a decade now. And the PCs people have still been buying are mostly low powered laptops that won't be able to power a Rift or Vive.
  - Retric 11y ago
    Sales slow because people already have a PC and hold off on upgrades.
emp_zealoth 11y ago
Im not exactly sure where you are getting that GTX 660 will barely run stuff I'm on 460 GT and in no rush to upgrade (granted, this is on 22 inch 1680x1050 display, so the load is lighter). I upgraded everything else but the GPU recently and it's only in extreme situations that i wish i had something beefier (think planetside 2, few hundred players having a slaughterfest)
- Veratyr 11y ago
  > Im not exactly sure where you are getting that GTX 660 will barely run stuff I'm taking this from Witcher 3's minimum system requirements. I'm assuming that anyone investing in a gaming system wishes to be able to play new releases as they come out. My point is that a GPU from 2013 is right on the edge of losing support of a game released in 2015, just 2 years after it was launched. Meanwhile, this game only just dropped support for consoles released around 2005.

by Veratyr 11y ago

ewzimm 11y ago

You're considering the launch date of the console, which is its best price/performance time, but that quickly goes down. A GTX 660 is now around $100. Most people will want some kind of PC anyway, and mainstream CPUs are good enough to handle almost any game. All that most people need for gaming is a GPU update. Although this isn't possible with most laptops, external GPUs are already entering the market. Console and PC gaming are converging. Microsoft is talking about quicker upgrades because the power of hardware is rapidly evolving. The new GPU generations this year will be a huge leap forward, and there's plenty more to come. They're also introducing cross-platform online play. By the way, PlayStation requires a subscription fee for that too now. It was only the PS3 that allowed free online play.

ChrisLTD 11y ago
Will most people want a PC? Phone and tablet sales have been eating into traditional PC sales for nearly a decade now. And the PCs people have still been buying are mostly low powered laptops that won't be able to power a Rift or Vive.
- Retric 11y ago
  Sales slow because people already have a PC and hold off on upgrades.

emp_zealoth 11y ago

Im not exactly sure where you are getting that GTX 660 will barely run stuff I'm on 460 GT and in no rush to upgrade (granted, this is on 22 inch 1680x1050 display, so the load is lighter). I upgraded everything else but the GPU recently and it's only in extreme situations that i wish i had something beefier (think planetside 2, few hundred players having a slaughterfest)

Veratyr 11y ago
> Im not exactly sure where you are getting that GTX 660 will barely run stuff I'm taking this from Witcher 3's minimum system requirements. I'm assuming that anyone investing in a gaming system wishes to be able to play new releases as they come out. My point is that a GPU from 2013 is right on the edge of losing support of a game released in 2015, just 2 years after it was launched. Meanwhile, this game only just dropped support for consoles released around 2005.