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You've paid for the research, but not for the publishing cost. If you don't care about the cost, then the decisions you support will obviously be skewed. Claim

by ikeboy 11y ago

You've paid for the research, but not for the publishing cost. If you don't care about the cost, then the decisions you support will obviously be skewed. Claiming that they're just extracting rent ignores the cost, which even at a 40% margin is still 60% of what they charge. Do you have any information on their legal costs that would reduce the cost above? Do you think everyone complaining about prices would be happy if they would reduce prices by 35% across the board, thus making no profit? Or would you still want it to be free? If the latter, your complaint is not solely based in Elsevier's "rent extraction", but in something else.

matwood 11y ago
But the author also pays for the publishing costs. Submitting a paper already costs 1-2k to have it in the journal. PLoS has shown that the 1-2k range is the publishing cost. For even more information that you'll likely not read see here: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2012/jan/16/academic-publishers-enemies-science https://www.theguardian.com/science/2012/jan/16/academic-pub... It's hardly surprising that publishers would fight dirty to hang on to a business model where scientists do research that is largely publicly funded, and write manuscripts and prepare figures at no cost to the journal; other scientists perform peer-review for free; and other scientists handle the editorial tasks for free or for token stipends. The result of all this free and far-below-minimum-wage professional work is journal articles in which the publisher, which has done almost nothing, owns the copyright and is able to sell copies back to libraries at monopolistic costs, and to individuals at $30 or more per view.
- ikeboy 11y ago
  https://academia.stackexchange.com/questions/18625/do-springer-ieee-elsevier-charge-a-fee-for-non-open-access-journals https://academia.stackexchange.com/questions/18625/do-spring... suggests otherwise. Where do you see closed journals charging 1-2k to submit papers?
- ikeboy 11y ago
  http://www.researchinfonet.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Wellcome-survey-of-colour-and-page-charges-v-02.pdf http://www.researchinfonet.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/We... also doesn't find such fees, saying only one Elsevier journal charged page fees.

by ikeboy 11y ago

matwood 11y ago

But the author also pays for the publishing costs. Submitting a paper already costs 1-2k to have it in the journal. PLoS has shown that the 1-2k range is the publishing cost. For even more information that you'll likely not read see here: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2012/jan/16/academic-publishers-enemies-science https://www.theguardian.com/science/2012/jan/16/academic-pub... It's hardly surprising that publishers would fight dirty to hang on to a business model where scientists do research that is largely publicly funded, and write manuscripts and prepare figures at no cost to the journal; other scientists perform peer-review for free; and other scientists handle the editorial tasks for free or for token stipends. The result of all this free and far-below-minimum-wage professional work is journal articles in which the publisher, which has done almost nothing, owns the copyright and is able to sell copies back to libraries at monopolistic costs, and to individuals at $30 or more per view.

ikeboy 11y ago
https://academia.stackexchange.com/questions/18625/do-springer-ieee-elsevier-charge-a-fee-for-non-open-access-journals https://academia.stackexchange.com/questions/18625/do-spring... suggests otherwise. Where do you see closed journals charging 1-2k to submit papers?
ikeboy 11y ago
http://www.researchinfonet.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Wellcome-survey-of-colour-and-page-charges-v-02.pdf http://www.researchinfonet.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/We... also doesn't find such fees, saying only one Elsevier journal charged page fees.